Do the Dead Walk?

[koinonia02]

No: HPFGUIDX 88918

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Campbell, Anne-TMC-Rcvg" 
<silverthorne.dragon at v...> wrote:

I Don't think Kneasy (or any of us really) is challenging the 
existence of undead Vampires in the HP world, simply WHO happens to 
be one. All any person in the Anti Vampire!Snape lobby wants is 
actual proof pointing directly to Snape--and not just indications--
"batlike" attributes, flowing cloak, etc. 


"K"

What I don't understand is why the above attributes can't be used as 
sign? I think what the anti-vampire groups want is to see Snape 
drinking blood and showing his fangs and JKR isn't going to show us 
that. She gives us little clues here and there. That's what she has 
done throughout the books. Snape isn't going to be walking around 
with a vampire neon sign on his back.

Anne:
Like in a court of law, what we're asking for is irrefutable evidence 
in which to convict Snape with. Thus far, such evidence has NOT been 
presented. 

"K"
Asking for irrefutable evidence on anything in the HP books is just 
about impossible. Isn't that what makes all of this so much fun? :-)  

Anne:
Sure, you can alter the basic folklore, and you can include modern 
additions to it in order to point to vampiric "Seeming" traits on the 
part of old Severus...but no one has yet seen Snape display those 
traits.

"K"
I don't think that's necessarily true either. There are many 
traditional vampire traits that one can associate with Snape but 
because it's only given in hint form most people won't accept them. 
Plus I don't think too many people are expecting or wanting JKR to 
totally ignore traditional vampirism. Some of us just believe she 
will add her own version of vampire in the books with mostly 
traditional traits.

Anne:
All we have are just hints--and ones that quite frankly CAN be 
applied to any number of alternate explanations as well as any 
variation of the Vampire, both in new and old incarnations...


"K"
That's exactly right. All we have are hints but lordy that's all we 
ever get about anything. If we can't go by the hints then we might as 
well shut the board down and not discuss anything. Lupin wasn't 
introduced as a werewolf but there were hints as to what he was (I 
missed them all). Sirius wasn't introduced in OoP as the one who 
would die but there were hints from early on (missed those also). 

Speaking of Lupin, is that really the moon his boggart becomes? Looks 
more like an orb to me. As in a prophecy orb. Is it really going to 
be Harry and Hermione? The hints seem to point, IMO, to Harry and 
Ginny. Is Hermione's boggart really 'failure'? I don't think so but 
others do. See, we all tend to look at these clues differently. It is 
hard to figure out where JKR is going on many, many things.

Anne:
The universally accepted idea of the vampire is a walking, reanimated 
corpse, who feeds on the blood of the living (Which, if taken 
literally, even disqualifies the blood flavored lollis in Honeydukes 
as an indication of Vamp activity--the blood within is anything BUT 
fresh).

"K"

I think those lollie's are just to remind us there are vampires out 
there. I don't think we can dismiss this at all.

Anne:
And although Rowling can and does put her own spin on these creatures 
she's used so far, it bears repeating that she harkens back to the 
original folk-loric creature in each case>

"K"
I agree except maybe in the case of Hagrid's mom and dad and I won't 
go there. But again, when one says Snape looks like the traditional 
vampire with his pallid, thin, gaunt face and his black clothes it's 
dismissed. Yet I have a feeling if vampire Snape dressed like 
Lockhart and had rosy cheeks then the anti-vampire crowd would be 
screaming that traditional vampires always wear black and have pale 
skin.

Anne:
And also, Rowling HAS indicated there ARE vampires--although 
Quirrel's experiences could be discounted as a cover for what he was 
really doing in the Black Forest--Hagrid (who has never lied thus far 
in the series) stated that he had an altercation with one during his 
time spent trying to recruit the giants for Dumbly.

"K"

It doesn't matter what Quirrel was really doing in the Black Forest. 
He could have still run across vampires. 

Anne:
> So, we're back to the beginning...who is the vampire, and who are 
the references pointing to? And who displays--noticeably and without 
question, and without 'altering' the *basic*, world wide accepted 
descriptions--the traits of the Vampire?

"K"
Snape. All the hints point to Snape but I don't believe he is the 
only one.

Anne, I can assure you that you know much more about vampire folklore 
than I do. I enjoy the info you give. That's why I'm so surprised 
that you just can't see Snape for what he is. You just need to let go 
and join the vampire crowd. <G> Plus I'm waiting for you to tell me 
why Dumbledore is one.
 

Anne
> (Whose tempted to see if she can prove that Sirius will come back 
as a vampire....yes folks. I AM crazy.....)

"K"
Please try. 

I am going to show some examples of Snape and traditional vampire 
folklore. Hopefully very soon. It's all there. Honest, it is.