Harry the Auror + a QUESTION

[frost_indri]

No: HPFGUIDX 89041

For those interested in the question and not the debate, its the 
last thing before my sig. at the end, so just scroll down. ^_^ -Frost

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> sachmet96
> That's no excuse if it were then everyone who tries to shoot 
someone  and misses because of inexperience with a gun would also 
not be guilty. 

Frost:
 	 Maybe, if he had tried to use a gun. But I don't think a 
wand is like a gun and any comparison would be misleading.

 	 Anyhow, if you attempt to assault someone, and fail, it is 
considered a lesser crime.  And its never cut and dry, you can have 
a charge lessened by extenuating circumstances, which these were.  

> sachmet96
> But what it comes down to is that Harry tried to kill someone at 
the 
> age of 15. I don't think such a thing can be overlooked. 
> 

Frost:
	  No, he didn't. He just tried to hurt someone very badly.  
Crucio is not the same as a AK.  The difficulty is still that he 
tried to use an unforgivable, but was unable to.  Its not cut and 
dry either way. While it will cause some problems, I don't think 
that it would be impossible, or necessarily wrong for it to be 
forgiven by the courts, and him allowed to be an auror. I think what 
will matter more is how he develops from that point.  However, its 
not a very black and white issue, and you are right in that it could 
be a real snare for him. 

> > Sachmet96
> > He also hasn't  shown any significant (magical) abilities above 
> > average.
> 
> Frost wrote: 
<snippy>
I doubt any of them, with the exception of Hermione, would be able 
to produce a real patronus when faced with a real dementor.

> sachmet96
> I do think all of them would be able to do it (or nearly all of 
them). Of course we will have to wait and see for the next books to 
hopefully get an answer.
> 

 Frost:
 	  I guess its obvious that I don't agree with you. <lopsided 
grin>  And I think the cannon supports me. 
 	"They had finally started work on Patronuses, which 
everybody had been very keen on to practice, though as Harry kept 
reminding them, producing a Patronus in the middle of a brightly lit 
classroom when they were not under threat was very different to 
producing it when confronted with something like a dementor." (OoP, 
p.606)
 
	It's not easy magic, and even worse, its magic you have to 
do while under extreme stress.  You can't panic, you can't think 
about anything but your happy thought.  You have to override every 
single "fight-or-flight"  response. And you have to overcome the 
dementor's sucking all you're happy thoughts out of you for food.  
Anyhow, not all of them could do it in the book.  
 	 "[Harry]'...What we really need is a boggart or something; 
that's how I learned, I had to conjure a Patronus while the boggart 
was pretending to be a dementor-'
 	 'But that would be really scary! said Lavender, who was 
shooting puffs of sliver vapor out of the end of her wand. "And I 
still --can't -- do it!" she added angrily." (OoP, p.606)
 	
	 The book goes on to say that Neville was having trouble, 
and Seamus had just gotten "something hairy" (OoP, p. 607) but it 
didn't last long enough for Harry to see, or for Seamus to tell what 
it was. We don't get a run-down of who can and can't do it, but not 
everyone has it, and no one has had the chance to do it under any 
sort of pressure, other that peir pressure.
  Of course, they could surprise me. <grins> we'll see. ^_^

> Frost wrote:
>  He has leadership skills, and can work well on a team.  
> 
> sachmet96
> I also disagree here. He only works well with a team of his 
choosing  and his leadership skills worked reasonably well for a 
team of his choosing too but that doesn't say anything how it will 
be with  others. 

Frost: 
 	Actually, the only "team members" he chose out of the ones 
he lead to the Department of Mysteries were Ron and Hermione.  
Ginny, Luna, and Neville were not his choices at all.
  	"...If [Harry] could have chosen any members of the D.A. in 
addition to himself, Ron, and Hermione to join him in the attempt to 
rescue Sirius, he would not have picked Ginny, Neville, or Luna." 
(OoP, p. 761)
 	 However, he still took them (not his choice really) and he 
lead them.  And they followed.  He was the clear leader in the 
Department of Mysteries, and he took responsibility for them in his 
action after he realized he had been tricked.  Being tricked isn't a 
sign of bad leadership, just a sign of bad thinking, or good 
thinking on the part of the tricker. Or both.  
 	 Also, look at the DA.  It was Hermione's idea, but he ended 
up being the leader.  He made the choices of curriculum, and he had 
the ability to get their respect, even from Zecharias Smith.  And 
even though it wasn't his idea, he did make the conscious decision 
to lead this thing.  He would have to, if he was teaching it, and 
teacher is a role of authority.  Frankly, he did a good job. 

sachmet96:
It was shown so far that he doesn't like to work with others  but is 
constantly trying to solve anything on his own - so he is not really 
a team's person.

Frost:
  That is a good point.  He has been resistant to trusting others, 
esp. Authority figures.  Though, growing up with the Dursleys as 
Authority figures, I can't blame him. *sighs*  However, his 
relationship with Ron & Hermione has caused him to trust Ron and 
Hermione, and rely on them for help.  At this point, I will agree 
with you, he's too much of a loner to make it.  But then, he's 
growing, and maybe he'll learn to rely on others more in the next 
books.  I'd like to think so, its a trend I think I see, but that is 
only conjecture.  

  Anyhow, who knows.  Maybe by the end he won't want to be an auror 
anymore.  After all, he'll have dealt with "the Darkest Magic there 
is",  and he might be tired of it.  Which leads to another question: 

QUESTION:

If Harry is not an Auror after Hogwarts, what do you think he will 
be.  This is, of course, assuming that he isn't dead.  

Frost