Harry and the Cruciatus Curse (Re: Harry the Auror)

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No: HPFGUIDX 89273

>> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Doriane" <delwynmarch at y...> 
wrote:

Del :
We're not talking about just hurting someone. We're talking about 
*torturing* someone. That's why the Cruciatus is an Unforgivable. 
Harry went through it, he knows what it does, and he still wanted 
to apply it to another human being. That shows he's got no compassion 
and no self-restraint. I went through some bad things, and I sure 
sometimes wish I could make my tormentors go through what I 
experienced, but I wouldn't actually do it, because I know it's 
plain WRONG. You don't make the world a better place by doing bad 
things. And you can't make yourself feel better by hurting others. 
Harry obviously still hasn't learned that.

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Bannister" 
<gbannister10 at a...> wrote:

Geoff:
Come off it, Del. If Harry had no compassion or self-restraint, he 
would have tried to go for "Avada Kedavra". He was boiling mad; he 
wanted to get back in some way at Bellatrix but did he really, 
really, deep down want to kill her? Maybe he said so but have you 
never been so cross that you could do someone a serious damage or 
smash up the crockery......
<snip>
"When I became a man I put away childish things..." including 
hopefully childish emotional and uncontrolled outbursts.


joi (new member, from philly, pa):

I think you have a great point Geoff, but I'd like to add something: 
Bellatrix is a horrible person. She's a DE, and one of the most 
noticable, and therefore, quite possibly, one of the worst. In LV's 
heyday, she probably threw around Unforgivables without a second 
thought. Harry used the Cruciatus Curse, but he used it against 
someone who deserved it. 

I, personally, don't think Harry meant it at all. And he had every 
reason to mean it, too- Bellatrix, as a DE, represented the arms of 
evil that plagued the WW, the evil that killed his family, took 
Sirius away from him TWICE, and gave him years' worth of troubles. 
Despite that, Harry's Cruciatus didn't do much, and also warranted 
Bellatrix's comment that he had to mean it for it to work.

Also, I think it's a very safe and fair assumption that Harry was 
reacting to his adolescent temper. Anger's like that- it makes you 
get all caught up in a moment. It's just another lesson he learned, 
or is in the process of learning, really. Quite often, we see Harry 
say and do things that upset others, and then have to work out what 
he did wrong. As JKR was quoted as saying, "I...wanted to reflect the 
fact that life can be difficult and confusing between the ages of 
eleven and seventeen, even when armed with a wand." 

thanks,

joi.