THE MAP...... Again

[tonyaminton]

No: HPFGUIDX 89394

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Talisman" <talisman22457 at y...> 
wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "tonyaminton" 
> <TonyaMinton at h...> wrote:
> >
> After the lastest rereading of POA <snip> [a] new quesiton occured 
> to me about the map. When Lupin showed up in the shack he said he 
> had been watching the map because he thought that they (Harry, 
> Hermione & Ron) were going to go see Hagrid right... ok at the same 
> time Harry and Hermione were also on their way to save Buckbeak 
> after using the timeturner. SOOOOO will Harry and Hermione show up 
> twice on the map?? "Because the Marauder's Map never lies" Quote 
> Lupin POA (page 295 I think, don't have the books at work)  What do 
> you think?? I think they showed up twice, Lupin was focused on the 
> original set of Harry and Hermione.
> Tonya
> 
> Talisman, setting aside some little wizard marionettes, replies:
> 
> I like your observation Tonya.  Subject to my beliefs about time 
> travel (post # 79635) But, I certainly do think Lupin would have 
> seen two sets of Harry and Hermione. 
> 
> And,  I think he did. And, I don't think it surprised him,
> because,like Snape, he is old Order and an active agent of 
> Dumbledore's. And, this is fine example of Dumbledore's management 
> of events.
> 
> Let's back up a little.  There are at least 11 days between the
> time Lupin confiscates the map (POA, U.S. edition, p.290) and the 
> date scheduled for Buckbeak's execution. 
> 
> Harry's Quidditch euphoria lasts a week (p.314) during which they 
> practice for exams, and his last exams and the hearing/execution 
> date occur on Thursday of the following week (pp. 318-20, 327.) 
> 
>  I find it hard to believe that during those ~11 days Lupin
> didn't spend time looking at the map, including specifically 
> checking out HRH (with Pettigrew in tow) and Gryffindor tower.  
This 
> out of sheer nostalgia, if not for security purposes. 
> 
> And yet, he gives no indication of seeing this supposedly dead 
> friend and hero of the wizarding world. 
> 
> Good evidence, I suggest, that Dumbledore is orchestrating the 
> action, including selecting the right DADA professor to work with 
> Snape in managing events for Harry, Sirius, and Wormtail. Events 
> that were to culminate in a controlled reunion in the Shrieking 
> Shack, and Wormtail's subsequent return to Voldemort. 
> 
> We don't know the *exact* time Lupin began monitoring the map, on 
> the day of the Shrieking Shack showdown, but we have some good 
> parameters.
> 
> Lupin says "I was watching it carefully this evening, because I
> had an idea that you, Ron and Hermione might try and sneak out of 
> the castle to visit Hagrid *before* his hippogriff was executed."
> (347 my emphasis)
> 
> Lupin would have been aware, as we are, that the execution was 
> scheduled for sunset. (320)
> 
> If he expected the trio to go to Hagrid's *before* sunset, then
> he surely was watching from the time they set off through the 
> entrance hall,  for, as they exited the castle "the sun was already
> sinking behind the Forbidden Forest. (327)
> 
> 
> Therefore, he would have seen the infamous "footsteps in the
> hall" scene, where HRH (and Scabbers) are under the invisibility 
> cloak, while time-traveled H & H are in the broom closet. (327 and 
> 395)
> 
> Again, though we have no specifics regarding the scale of the map, 
> we do know that in order to show the castle and grounds, it is 
quite 
> small.  From a map-readers' perspective the distance between HRH& S 
> and TT H&H must have been less than an inch.  I mean, they would 
> have been right in front of Lupin's gaze.  
> 
> If he missed them there, he could have seen TT H&H, following 
behind 
> HRH & S, then dashing toward the perimeter around the greenhouse, 
> where they would have been moving dots on grounds that were largely 
> unpopulated. (401)  Again, because of scale, the moving doubles 
> would have been in close proximity.
> 
> Lupin apparently didn't stop looking at the map until after
> Sirius pulled Ron under the Whomping Willow. (347)
> 
> That means he was watching while TT H & H  move from the edge of 
the 
> FF, to within hearing distance of Hagrid's hut (402), where they 
> listen to the unfolding of events (including the *amused* 
> Dumbledore).
> 
> Again, doubles movement in close proximity to HRH & S--*very* close 
> from a map-reader's view--which it seems unlikely Lupin would
> miss.
> 
> Then, while HRH & S head for the WW,  TT H & H move across the 
> grounds to a clump of trees close to the WW (where the Sirius 
action 
> that Lupin acknowledges seeing, takes place). (403)  Again, 
movement 
> on an open plain that is likely placing the doubles within an inch 
> of each other. 
> 
> It is just too hard to believe that Lupin doesn't get quite an 
> eyeful.
> 
> Now, read the Shrieking Shack scene again, and tell me who is 
acting.
> 
> Talisman, who loves good theatre.

Now Tonya again:

GREAT THOUGHTS Talisman!!!  Now you have me really thinking..... Yes 
for sure Lupin, I was wondering if Snape was also doing a bit of 
acting.....What do you think??
Tonya