Prince of Walpurgis - Tales from the Dark Side.

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 103849

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "smartone564" <deyerlejm at a...>
wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" 
> <asian_lovr2 at y...> wrote:
>  
> > I think we are dealing more with a conceptual or metaphorical
> > prince as in 'The Fresh Prince of Bel Aire' (USA TV show). Tom 
> > Riddle, was a brilliant student, intelligent, skilled, 
> > knowledgable, and a powerful wizard, and was also a handsome 
> > charismatic leader. Add to that, the fact (assumed as fact) that 
> > he was descended from one of the greatest wizards of all time, 
> > Salizar Slytherin.


> Smartone: 
> 
> After all that wonderful work (and moral lesson?) I must point 
> out that JKR has specifically said that LV and Harry are not the 
> HBP.  Done, finished, stop, cease and desist.
>

Asian_lovr2:

A point you and others have made nicely. However, we others are making
the point, relative to Tom Riddle and Voldemort, that a caterpillar is
not a butterfly. 

Tom Riddle could have chosen to become the greatest caterpillar who
ever lived, but instead he chose to become the darkest most evil
butterfly.

After his metamorphosis, Voldemort was not Tom Riddle. So, it is
certainly fair to regard them as separate entities. It may not be
correct in the end, but in terms of analysis and fair speculation it
is a fair assesment.

JKR said '...not Harry or Voldemort...', but in CoS, Dobby also said,
(paraphrased) '...not Voldemort...' when he meant Tom Riddle. That
sets a precedence in the book for regarding them as separate entities.
That doesn't guarantee that 'separate entities' is correct, but it
does set a precedent. JKR could be doing the same thing again. 


> Smartone continues: 
>
> And, I must ask, with your opinion on dark arts, what do you 
> think of Harry using one of the Unforgivable Curses (crucio)?  If 
> anyone knew about this, besides Bellatrix, wouldnt he be in jail?
> 
> "smartone"

Asian_lovr2:

I have very strong but unresolved feelings about Harry using the Pain
Curse on Bella. She certainly deserved it, but... well, it is
unforgivable by definition.

When this subject comes up, I can't help pointing out that Harry
certainly has the ability to cast an effective Pain Curse, but he did
it wrong. A Pain Curse is not a 'hit and run' curse like the Stunning
Curse. The casting wizard my hold his intent, thereby holding his
curse, for as long as he wants the pain to continue. See repeated
examples in the book. A 'hit and run' or 'curse and duck' method will
not work for this curse. That was Harry's only error in casting it. In
a way, that makes it that much more scary.

It is my hope that someone like Dumbledore or Remus will discover
this, and talk to Harry and make sure he fully understands what a
terrible thing he has done. Once he feels sufficiently guilty, I'm
willing to let it go and move on. He is afteral a basically good kid.
And I don't see it as foreshadowing of some dark turn for Harry.

Just a thought.

Steve/asian_lovr2