Prince of Walpurgis - Tales from the Dark Side.

[mnaper2001]

No: HPFGUIDX 103880

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <asian_lovr2 at y...> 
wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "smartone564" <deyerlejm at a...>
> wrote:
> > --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" 
> > <asian_lovr2 at y...> wrote:
> >  
> > > I think we are dealing more with a conceptual or metaphorical
> > > prince as in 'The Fresh Prince of Bel Aire' (USA TV show). Tom 
> > > Riddle, was a brilliant student, intelligent, skilled, 
> > > knowledgable, and a powerful wizard, and was also a handsome 
> > > charismatic leader. Add to that, the fact (assumed as fact) 
that 
> > > he was descended from one of the greatest wizards of all time, 
> > > Salizar Slytherin.
> 
> 
> > Smartone: 
> > 
> > After all that wonderful work (and moral lesson?) I must point 
> > out that JKR has specifically said that LV and Harry are not the 
> > HBP.  Done, finished, stop, cease and desist.
> >
> 
> Asian_lovr2:
> 
> A point you and others have made nicely. However, we others are 
making
> the point, relative to Tom Riddle and Voldemort, that a caterpillar 
is
> not a butterfly. 
> 
> Tom Riddle could have chosen to become the greatest caterpillar who
> ever lived, but instead he chose to become the darkest most evil
> butterfly.
> 
> After his metamorphosis, Voldemort was not Tom Riddle. So, it is
> certainly fair to regard them as separate entities. It may not be
> correct in the end, but in terms of analysis and fair speculation it
> is a fair assesment.
> 
> JKR said '...not Harry or Voldemort...', but in CoS, Dobby also 
said,
> (paraphrased) '...not Voldemort...' when he meant Tom Riddle. That
> sets a precedence in the book for regarding them as separate 
entities.
> That doesn't guarantee that 'separate entities' is correct, but it
> does set a precedent. JKR could be doing the same thing again. 
> 
> 

Ally:

Steve, I agree completely.  This idea that the HBP is some actual 
descendant of a King is a bit out of place in the HP Universe where 
we've never seen such references to royalty.  I definitely think JKR 
is using it as a metaphorical "prince."  And I also agree with your 
statements about V and Riddle not always being the same person.  
There WAS a transformation from one to the other.  I think it WILL be 
Tom Riddle and we will find out about HOW and WHY he became Voldemort.

AND, wouldn't that be the simplest, most direct answer to the 
question be Tom Riddle?  Why stand on your ear to try to justify it 
as Dudley or Dean Thomas or Neville or a Weasley when the simplest 
explanation - the one that would facilitate the resolution of the 
story - fits so well.