About Prophesies and Protections

[Amey Chinchorkar]

No: HPFGUIDX 104165

>>>>>>>>>>>>Carolina :

>>>>>>>>>>>>Look in the PS/DVD. There's an interview with Rowling where she talks
>>>>>>>>>>>>about that scene. At least in the spanish edition. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>That's why I consider those few seconds canon (or very close to) and I
>>>>>>>>>>>>find interesting the 'You heard James?' line combined with James
>>>>>>>>>>>>specifically not appearing in the scene.


A really good observation, and that casts a different light on the scene. But in GoF, Harry 

hears his father saying your mother is coming, then he might wonder if this was not the voice 

he heard.  It is possible that he is a bit preoccupied then in fight than the voice, but still 

its a theory. (Though this part is removed from GoF now, so the whole theory might be wrong :))


>>>>>>>>>>>>From: "jimlaming" <jlaming426 at aol.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>In OOP, at GP, when Sirius is explaining his family tree to Harry, he 
>>>>>>>>>>>>explains that his mother had blasted several names, including his 
>>>>>>>>>>>>own, off the tapestry for various reasons, mostly betrayal to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>the "Family Values."
>>>>>>>>>>>>Sirius says something about a person (male?) being missing and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>wonders out loud if it was because of
  Then Molly comes in with food 
>>>>>>>>>>>>or some other interruption and he does not finish or expand on that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>person.  

" My Uncle Alphard had left me a decent bit of gold - he's been wiped off here, too, that's 

probably why - "

So the conversation is complete, as sirius talks about his life after that, so this might be 

just a bit of background information (though I will not like ot bet)


>>>>>>>>>>>>From: "demetra1225" <tzakis1225 at netzero.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>But Black's free hand had found Harry's throat –
>>>>>>>>>>>>"No," he hissed, "I've waited too long ---"
>>>>>>>>>>>>The fingers tightened, Harry choked, his glasses askew.  (PoA, page 340)
>>>>>>>>>>>>Yep, he loves Harry all right.  Just has a strange way of showing it.  

Yes, a strange way, but then, Harry was trying to kill him then, and at that moment, he might 

not have the time to gently push him aside. Also he didn't have a wand, so he could not 

"impedimenta" Harry or something like that.



>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Eustace_Scrubb" <dk59us at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>proposal then was that LV intended to eliminate both Harry and Neville
>>>>>>>>>>>when he set out to Godric's Hollow. (another poster called this the
>>>>>>>>>>>"King Herod syndrome," which I think is apt.)  Although Dumbledore
>>>>>>>>>>>tells Harry that Voldemort felt Harry was the most likely subject of
>>>>>>>>>>>the prophecy (as the child of a muggle-born witch), that does not mean
>>>>>>>>>>>that Lord Thingy meant to kill only one of the two boys.  But he could
>>>>>>>>>>>only be in one place at a time (unless time turners play a role) and
>>>>>>>>>>>he decided to kill Harry first.

A good proposal, but DD mentions in OoTP that LV chose Harry as his equal, so that means he 

didn't plan to kill Neville. But at the same time, I would really like to hear teh full details 
of Longbottoms incident.

>>>>>>>>>>>Maybe there were books of dark magic spells and 
>>>>>>>>>>>objects in the Chamber. Maybe he allowed the spirit of Slytherin to 
>>>>>>>>>>>enter him. Dunno, but the Chamber Salazar built was the key. Why else 
>>>>>>>>>>>call it the Chamber of *Secrets*?

 Yes, it is called Chamber of *Secrets*, so it must hide some secrets, like maybe *Room of 

Requirements*. I mean, building such a large chamber just for a snake(however huge) and a statue (however huge), seems kind of vain.

>>>>>>>>>>>manawydan:
>>>>>>>>>>>I _think_ I recall that Dumbledore describes [unknown] as reporting straight
>>>>>>>>>>>back to his (so we at least know the gender) master so there's no delay
>>>>>>>>>>>there. But the delay in Voldemort's making his mind up is indeed strange (he
>>>>>>>>>>>doesn't seem the sort to worry about a few broken eggs, why not kill both
>>>>>>>>>>>infants if you're not sure?

According to what DD says, he decided Harry was a danger to him more than Neville (of course, if you look at Neville now, at least upto GoF, he was right :)), so he went for Potters'. As for his delay, the parents had already "defied" LV thrice, so he had to make sure that he was successful when he reaches there ( fourth time lucky :)). Also, "Potters knew for a long time that he was going to come for them" (PoA  Prof.McGonagall don't remember page no.), so he made up his mind quite early, but delayed the attack till he was quite sure. At least thats what i think. According to this theory, Longbottoms were victims bvecause they were in Order or at least they were Aurors, and so might have had some information.



>>>>>>>>>>>Steve:
>>>>>>>>>>>The big flaw in the 'Blood Protection' plan is that in order to be
>>>>>>>>>>>protected, you have to stay at home. Dudley could be in danger at
>>>>>>>>>>>school, Petunia that the grocery story, and Vernon at work.

According to DD, Harry has the protection till he calls it his home, so I think DD must have taken care that the people at home are also safe.


>>>>>>>>>>>I believe that the reciprocal occurred when Voldemort used Harry's blood in GoF to 
>>>>>>>>>>>reconstitute himself.  (New and Improved Dehydrated Dark Lord!  Just add blood!)  >>>>>>>>>>>Now not only does Harry carry some of LV in him, but vice versa, and that's where I >>>>>>>>>>>think the crux will be in the climax - that spell will turn out to LV's downfall, >>>>>>>>>>>not just because he used Harry's blood, but also because he used Wormtail's flesh - >>>>>>>>>>>Wormtail, who owes Harry his life.

Yes, this accounts for the gleam in DD's eyes when he hears the scene at the end of GoF. Also, he tells Harry at the end of PoA that he will be greatful about the bond between him and Wormtail one day, that suggests he might have saw this coming (at least for Wormtail), or here is one more example that DD uses time travel regularly. (At the end of PoA, in buckbeak scene, we all know that DD time travels, here is one more example.).


- Amey, who thinks this post has gone long enough, so signing off...



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