Kreacher the Murderer (Re: Sirius revisited--emotional maturity)

[Brenda M.]

No: HPFGUIDX 104445

EXCELLENT post, Valky! And if I may go off-track for a second, your 
name reminds me of Victor Krum for some reason, lol (Hermione: "Don't 
call him 'Vicki!' "). You good at Soccer?


>>> Valky wrote:
> Its not so much that it fits per se, in the context of the story, 
> except that the symptoms are extraordinarily familiar, but as the 
> way the indicators are flagged in canon. Its all in the order they 
> appear.
> 
> I am assuming probably more than I should here. so I'll start from 
> the beginning.
> 
> Some time ago it was supposed that Kreacher was implementing a plot 
> to get rid of Sirius a long time before he left Grimmauld Place to 
> the Malfoy residence. The canon that supports this is in congruent 
> elements scattered through OOtP.
>  
> They are:
> 1 Sirius becomes some alarming bit more cheerful when Kreacher 
> disappears at Christmas.
> 
> 2 Although it fits nicely with the probability that Sirius is 
> unhappy to be losing his guests at the end of Christmas, it also 
> fits, curiously, that he becomes once again hotheaded and 
recklessly 
> behaved when Kreacher returns.


Bren now:

Let me get this straight. Are you suggesting that there's more to 
Sirius loathing Kreacher? Like Sirius resented him *not just* for the 
long history between them, but because Kreacher was doing something 
to him during his stay at Grim-Old Place in OoP? But if Sirius had 
suspected something, why didn't he do anything?

BUT... what COULD he have done? He couldn't *fire* the elf, he knew 
too much about the Order (D-Dore's order). He could have banned 
Kreacher from putting the Confusing and befuddlement Draughts in his 
food/drink, but how could he know? He was going nuts being stuck in 
that place anyways. (Although DD did say Kreacher couldn't disobey 
DIRECT orders from Sirius, so maybe this could've worked.) How about 
harming Kreacher -- injuring him... or even more. (As much as I love 
him) wouldn't put it past someone who's already widely known to be 
the 'Mass Murderer' ("well, gee, I'm already a murderer, heck, why 
not get rid of this fealthy thing").

I wonder the Unforgivable Curses will work on House Elves though.


>>> Valky continues:
> 3 We are treated to, in a previous chapter, an insight into the 
uses 
> of scurvy grass, lovage and sneezewort, which I will quote for you:
> 
> "These plantes are efficacious in the inflaming of the braine, and 
> are therefore much used in Confusing and befuddlement Draughts, 
> where the wizard is desirous of producing hot-headedness and 
> recklessness ...." 
> This is in Dumbledores Army, OOtP page 340 in my version.
> 
> Now I cannot take credit for this exemplary sleuthing I am afraid, 
> but I do have plenty to offer in support of the theory.
> 
> For example, as there was much talk in Grimmauld Place, by Molly 
> Lupin et al, that recklessness would get Sirius killed, it is quite 
> likely that when chanced upon, it would be of a temptation to 
> Kreacher to encourage along some recklessness, in his much loathed 
> master.  
> 
> Secondly and if you'll imagine with me for a moment that Kreacher 
is 
> blurting to his much beloved Bella:
>  
> "I have been feeding the young traitor scurvy grass in hope that he 
> would do something foolish and get himself and all his mutant, 
> mudblood, half breed, etc etc.... friends, thankfully, destroyed. 
> But he is resisting it so !  I fear I shall be in his treacherous 
> keep forever... oh for shame poor Kreacher.. boo hoo etc.."
> 
> Bella then goes to discuss with LV this and the other information 
we 
> already know she gave him and of course LV decides it will help his 
> new plan along if Kreacher continues to do so.
> 
> So much against the House Elfs desire to not return to Sirius, 
ever, 
> he does... and immediately, to begin the scurvy grass, or what have 
> you, lacing of Sirius' food again, because Harry, who is at 
> Grimmauld Place right now, must firmly believe that Sirius has lost 
> the plot and misplaced the blueprints.
> 
> In the post I previously replied to, Katie did make note of how 
> excuses for bad behaviour of characters has been made by members of 
> HP fandom, ranging from childhood abuse to magical control over 
that 
> characters mind.
> And I say again to Katie, though I agree, absolutely ;), that much 
> of this speculation is, to the point, absolutist in dividing who is 
> good and bad in the books, I am afraid that this is the one case 
> that I simply cannot let go. 
> 
> I could go on, now, about how JKR must know how guilty she is of 
> allowing Kreacher to steal most of our last moments with Sirius 
from 
> us. 
>
> And that SAD DENIAL has a right to a SIRIUS RESSURRECTION because 
we 
> were never given more than a few fleeting moments with the REAL 
> him.  
> 
> Oops I did go on with it didn't I.


Bren: YES! Although I believe we'll get a full blast of much happier 
and fuller Sirius (face-wise) in Book 6 & 7!! JKR owes us that much, 
after you-know-what at DoM... (well she doesn't owe us anything 
really, but one can only hope...)

Bren, handing in my application to "Sirius Protection League"