The FAQ says "Lily first"

Geoff Bannister gbannister10 at aol.com
Wed Jul 7 11:37:45 UTC 2004


No: HPFGUIDX 104796

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, garyfredogal at h... wrote:
> > Geoff:
> > Hang about, you're still not right unless you haven't expressed 
> your 
> > thought clearly. If Lily died before James, James would emerge 
> from 
> > the wand /first/. That doesn't seem to be the drift of your 
> > comment....
> 
> Tina:
> 
> Priori Incantatem (US Version GoF):
> 
> Wormtail's Hand
> Cedric 
> The Old Man
> Bertha
> Lily
> James
> 
> Now with that list we see that Lily comes out of Voldemort's wand 
> before James. That would mean that Lily died after James not the 
> other way around. 
> 
> Now, like I said in my previous post and what you didn't 
understand, 
> is that I disagree with the Lily died first theory not the Lily 
> comes out of the wand first theory, because it states in both PS/SS 
> that she did not die first and the order by which she and James 
came 
> out of the wand in GoF backs up the paragraph in SS/PS. 
> 
> Is it clearer to you now? If not, then I don't know what to tell 
you.

Geoff:
I have already referred to the following quote from canon:

'The evil face was now smiling. "How touching..."it hissed. "I always 
value bravery...Yes, boy, your parents were brave... I killed your 
father first, and he put up a courageous fight... but your mother 
needn't have died... she was trying to protect you... Now give me the 
Stone unless you want her to have died in vain."'

(PS "The Man with Two Faces" p.213 UK edition) 

Therefore, I have subscribed to the "James died last" theory all the 
time.

The list you quote from is the modified version of GOF after it was 
acknowledged that there was a Flint and the original did not 
correlate with Voldemort's statement in PS.

With respect, it doesn't need to be clearer to me because the 
sequence of events is quite logical. However, what you said in 
message 104635 was:

"No, I am objecting to the posts that say that Lily *died* first, not
that she came out of the wand first. Of course if she died before
James she would arrive before James."

If you read that carefully, you appear to be saying that if Lily died 
before James, she would arrive (out of the wand) before James which 
would not be the correct order for the Priori Incantatem as you have 
then shown in your later message.

I think that we are in agreement but, as I said earlier, your first 
statement didn't make that totally clear.





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