Think on This......

[M.Clifford]

No: HPFGUIDX 105155

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Janet Anderson" 
<norek_archives2 at h...> wrote:

> Aisbelmon at h... said:
> 
> >It will be a turning point for Harry to realise that his potential
> >lies in his love for all things and his impressive list of
> >challenging victories will be noted which I think we should read
> >carefully; Aragog, Fawkes, Dobby, Snakes, the snitch (based on a
> >magical creature) he was the first to ride Buckbeak, he 
understands the Centaurs like not even Hermione can.
> >
> 
Janet:
> I'd like to disagree with some parts of this:  Aragog doesn't 
exactly count as a victory since he and Ron would have been Spider 
Chow if not for being rescued by the Ford Anglia; 

Hi Janet.
Valky (Aisbelmon) says:

I knew I needed to contextualise the list a dot more!
I apologise for my vagueness in referring to the word victory.
For Aragog I meant victory in the sense that Harry had met the 
challenge of approaching and successfully communicating with Aragog, 
quite a feat, albeit it one that endangered his life.
 
And just aside I had very much considered adding the Ford Anglis to 
the list given its apparent sentience and the fact that it rescued 
Harry and Ron. But I figured it was kind of an Arthur, Fred & George 
victory as well as Ron and Harry, so I didn't.

So you see I am loosley using the term victory to indicate 
overcoming a challenging step on the way to a healthy connection / 
or relationship with the creature.



Janet says:
he did not actually ride Buckbeak in the book 
> (movie contamination, although a really good scene!);

Valky:
Sorry he does actually, and I agree movies can confuse us with these 
things, I've seen and been it sooo often. So no biggie.
In my saying this I was also referring loosley to the part in POa 
when timeturned!Hermione still fears Buckbeak so that she, as good 
as, pleads to Harry that he do the approaching of Buckbeak and 
bowing etc because he is better at it.

Janet:
> and almost anyone does 
> better with the Centaurs than Hermione did -- the only one worse 
was Umbridge. :)
> 


Valky:
Yes, Hermione was a very bad example, I am sorry. 
I believe centaurs don't really like to be called 
magical "creatures" as the term assumes superiority of humankind, so 
I had better rephrase that entirely and say Hermione would be S*%^te 
at interrace relations, but we already knew that.
As for Harry his victory in understanding the centaurs is a step in 
moving toward a healthy relationship with them, I am not saying for 
sure he'll go the whole yard but the progress he has made in his 
encounters, (Only in his own understanding of them, I mean, not 
actually in the way they relate to him.) Is a promising victory, 
unlike many have achieved, including Hermione who will probably get 
an O in COMC anyway but for different reasons.

Hope that clears up a little bit of that for you Janet,
Thanks
and
Best to You
Valky