Snape going back? (was: Snape's Destiny/JKR quotes)

[cubfanbudwoman]

No: HPFGUIDX 105308

[ Regarding the deteriorating relationship between Harry and Snape ]

SSSusan:
> > But I suspect that, in spite of his stubborness and his 
> > protestations at the end of OoP, Harry *will* begin to really 
> > HEAR DD's words about Snape in book 6 (or book 7).  Don't get me 
> > wrong, I don't think there's any chance in the world that they'll 
> > ever be buddies, but I think at some point a partial, grudging 
> > respect will appear from  Harry for Snape.

Salit: 
> The primary reason for the bad blood between Harry and Snape is
> Snape's attitude towards him. Snape hates ... He humiliates ...
> While Harry may have contributed, it was certainly a reaction to 
> Snape's attitude. 
> 
> There is no sign whatsoever that Snape has changed his attitude or
> feelings, nor have we seen any evidence that Snape can ever become
> "nice" or understanding. 


SSSusan again:
Oh, believe me, I do think much of the fault lies w/ Snape, and even 
if he's doing some of it to save face w/ the DE kids, knowing Draco 
et al will be reporting to their parents, he's gone way farther than 
he needed to to save face.

On the other hand....  As much as I believe [and I know there are 
several here who disagree with me on this] that Snape **could** have 
done a better job of EXPLAINING what Occlumency was about, how it 
works, that there's not much to teach about stopping it but still 
providing as much as he could, as well as a little info on clearing 
one's mind [I really do fault Snape for this], I DO also think Snape 
took some real strides in those early Occlumency lessons.  He came as 
close as he's ever come to praising Harry.  He took his *time* to 
consider and then answer some of Harry's question, and came as close 
as I think we've seen to having a real two-way conversation with 
him.  Granted, he didn't maintain it--allowed himself (or made 
himself?) get angry with Harry for not being polite enough, thereby 
avoiding answering more questions/providing more info.  But in short, 
even though some of the animosity and snideness was there, I think we 
*did* see some progress and a POTENTIAL for things to have settled 
down a little between them, at least when doing something for The 
Cause.  

All kinds of things went wrong after that [blame lies with both, 
imo], but in the first lesson [or two? I need to check], I think we 
were given a glimpse of how the "grudgingly working together" *could* 
have come about.


Salit: 
> Harry will mature and he is certainly a caring and compassionate
> person. But for any type of reconciliation between them, Snape has 
> to show personal qualities that I doubt very much he will ever 
> possess.

SSSusan:
What do you think would happen if Harry could actually manage to TELL 
Snape either that he recognizes the sacrifices Snape has made or to 
[shudder] thank Snape for the things he's done for the Order or to 
protect him [Harry]?  I think Harry *will* mature, and while I'm not 
SURE it'll happen, I can at least envision Harry's arriving at a 
point in book 6 or 7 where he could do this.  Do you think that might 
be enough to alter their relationship to where they could at least 
work together sometimes?


Salit:
> Harry will be in Snape's potions class, otherwise the whole story 
> will lack some of the best scenes in the story, but I don't believe 
> he will get an "O" in potions, I think it will be an "E". Snape 
> will have to lower his standards. 

SSSusan:
Ooooh, I don't think I will EVER believe Snape would be willing to do 
this.


Salit:
> Either the authorities will decide to lower entry requirements for 
> auror positions (as they are in a war situation) or perhaps Draco 
> Malfoy will also not get an "O", forcing Snape (who wants him in 
> his class) to accept Harry as well. One thing I am certain of is - 
> there will be no improvement in their relationship in book 6...

SSSusan:
I'm still not so sure.  Let's file this one away & see what happens 
in book 6. :-) 


SSSusan before:
> >  But I actually think his "friendship" and "loyalty" to Lucius 
> > are a put-on, and I think that he is closer to certain members of 
> > the Hogwarts staff [McGonagall, for instance] than many people 
> > seem to believe. *I* don't think Snape will go  back.

Salit: 
> I think he respects McGonnagal, but there is no indication of
> "closeness" with anyone, except Draco Malfoy (who can come into his
> office at will and is addressed by first name).

SSSusan again:
I don't know.  There is a certain amount of teasing that goes on 
between SS & MM re: Quidditch.  I wish we could be flies on the wall 
in both the staff lounge & the Order Headquarters.  And I think Snape 
tolerates Draco as part of the act for Lucius & Voldy.  

We shall see!

Siriusly Snapey Susan