Wands, Dumbledore and Sirius/James

[Amey Chinchorkar]

No: HPFGUIDX 105456

>> From: Rebekia Krum <rebekia_krum at yahoo.co.uk>
>> As of OotP-- Sirius and Dumbledore knew that Srius was
>> the Potters SecretKeeper *until* Sirius passed on the
>> task to Pettigrew (I’m assuming going through DD to do
>> so). <snip>
>> Why is it okay to save
>> Sirius after he died, but not turn time and save
>> Harry's parents? <snip>
>> As for James being a bully because of what we saw in
>> the Pensieve....Well, it is Snapes memory of the
>> event. In Snapes mind James was a prat, but what about
>> Malfoy’s memories? I’m sure Ron and Harry wouldn’t be
>> too far off from how Sirius and James appear. I think
>> some students at Hogwarts might view Ron and Harry a
>> bit differently than how those in Gryffindor see them
>> as.

Amey:
Sirius wasn't yet dead when he was saved, he was going to be worse than dead. Also, saving Harry's parents would have started a huge chain reaction, because that would mean taking them away from GH, with them Harry. This would have resulted in LV not trying to AK Harry and losing his body in the deal. Consequences? Very bad I am sure.
Also, Dumbledore didn't know Sirius had changed the SK position with wormtail, as he himself (Dumbledore) gave evidence that Sirius was SK for Potters.
Also about Pensieve, welcome to the club. It *is* Snape's memory. But right now, we don't know how much subjective or objective that pensieve is, but still I entirely agree with you. Otherwise, Harry wouldn't be afraid that if Snape moved off, he wouldn't be able to watch his father.
Last but not the least, welcome to the list.


>> Gielreta: 
>> At the end of OOtP, Dumbledore explains that he "persuaded" Kreacher to tell 
>> him where and why Sirius had gone.  After such persuasion, what sort of 
>> condition will Kreacher be in?  Will we have to mount his head after all?  What 
>> sort of persuasion might Dumbledore have used?

Amey:
Ad for crucio, I am not sure. But he is legilimens, as he told Harry. I doubt he would use Crucio on Kreacher, because he wouldn't need that. Elves are bound by magic to serve their masters, so I think this might have come somewhere in the deal.

'He did not wish to tell me,' said Dumbledore. `But I am a sufficiently accomplished Legilimens myself to know when I am being lied to and I - persuaded him - to tell me the full story, before I left for the Department of Mysteries.' (OOtP)

Hmm.. maybe a bit of veritaserum, and then we know how frightening Dumbledore can be when he is angry. 
However much I would like Kreacher's head hanging on the board (Sorry, Hermione), I think that time is yet to come :(


>> Jen,
>> I don't like the idea that Harry is decended from Gryffindor because 
>> I think that does go against JKR's message that it doesn't matter 
>> where you came from, its your actions that count.

Amey:
Well, how about descendent in qualities and other things, not blood descendent? Many people are sure that Dumbledore is descedent of Gryffindor.


>>Amey:
>> And as for penseive, if it shows "a memory of that person's version 
>> of what happened.", it's pretty subjective, and the scene might 
>> even be different. 
>> SSSusan:
>> May I ask whom you're quoting here?  Could you clarify for me, 
>> please?  

Amey:
Sorry I was quoting from the post I was replying to, and didn't clarify further. What I meant was that, if thepenseive is fully subjective, how come Harry was afraid that if Snape would have moved he couldn't watch his father? Does it have some effective area? And if that is the case, how come Snape didn't hear what Sirius and James said but Harry was able to hear it? It fits their typical images only too well. Is it the truth or somebody's version of truth?

KB
I was going to say maybe Ollivander's was only for rich, privileged people, 
but Tom Riddle was an orphan -- but was it Tom or LV who bought the 
"brother" of Harry's wand?


>> SSSusan:
>> I also don't see how James comes out as MORE arrogant and bullying 
>> than Sirius.  In THIS scene, perhaps.  Overall?  No.  Whatever the 
>> motivation for it, James stopped Snape; Sirius did not.

Amey:
We have only one scene where we see James, he is not there in any other scene, except in memories (and I don't mean of Penseive kind). So, there is no basis for comparing Sirius and James except 2 occurances. In one of them, James is worse bully, in other he is Saviour. But why is he saviour? I doubt he would do that for Snape. What he did was to save Sirius and Remus from trouble. And also, didn't Snape tell Harry that what James did was to save *himself* from trouble? No mention of Sirius or his friends. Is it because of simple rivalry between these two, or JKR doesn't want us to hear about Sirius any more? Was James' role in that only limited to saving Snape, and if it was dangerous for James, from what we know about Sirius, can he leave James in dangerous position and gone off to library or something? He must be there with James. 


>> leb
>> Since the 
>> hat and the sword both belonged to Godric then it could be plausible 
>> that it materialized from nowhere instead of being summoned from DD's 
>> office.

Amey: 
Fawkes got the hat from Dumbledore's office, and as they both are Gryffindor's, I think hat must have got it from somewhere.

>> "ge25y":
>> Does this mean that TR and LM were at school together?  Why 
>> does Lucius have them and what else can we expect to see?

Amey:
Great, I haven't seen a single post on this issue. What I think is that there is some understanding between Olivander and Dumbledore (he told Dumbledore that Harry had got The Other Wand), so as Dumbledore knows, he would have known it. I think Dumbledore must have told him to keep an eye on the Other Wand, and told him the reason. This connection needs to be explored (any posts on this one before?)


>> "ge25y":
>> I'm new to this so I'm sorry if I don't follow all the rules right.  
>> You might have hit on something here.  I don't think that you need to 
>> be pureblood to be in Slytherin.  After all Voldermort was in 
>> Slytherin but he's half blood.... Makes you wonder huh?  :)

Amey:
He was a half-blood, but he is the last descendent of Slytherin, surely the Hat would have recognised that.



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