Wands, Dumbledore and Sirius/James

[cubfanbudwoman]

No: HPFGUIDX 105501

Amey, previously:
>>> And as for penseive, if it shows "a memory of that person's 
version of what happened.", it's pretty subjective, and the scene 
might even be different. <<<

SSSusan:
>> May I ask whom you're quoting here?  Could you clarify for me, 
>> please?  
 
Amey replied:
> Sorry I was quoting from the post I was replying to, and didn't 
> clarify further. What I meant was that, if the penseive is fully 
> subjective, how come Harry was afraid that if Snape would have 
> moved he couldn't watch his father? Does it have some effective 
> area? And if that is the case, how come Snape didn't hear what 
> Sirius and James said but Harry was able to hear it? It fits their 
> typical images only too well. Is it the truth or somebody's 
> version of truth?

SSSusan:
Thanks for clarifying.  I didn't THINK there was canon for its being 
subjective.  If it *were* subjective, then Harry's concern makes 
sense.  That is, if it's SNAPE'S subjective memory and he [Snape] 
moves, Harry is afraid he'll have to "go with Snape."  Turned out 
that WASN'T how the Pensieve operated, and Harry was able to roam.  
I take that as evidence for its objectivity.  


SSSusan:
>>> I also don't see how James comes out as MORE arrogant and 
bullying than Sirius.  In THIS scene, perhaps.  Overall?  No.  
Whatever the motivation for it, James stopped Snape; Sirius did not.

 
Amey:
> We have only one scene where we see James, he is not there in any 
> other scene, except in memories (and I don't mean of Penseive 
> kind). So, there is no basis for comparing Sirius and James except 
> 2 occurances. In one of them, James is worse bully, in other he is 
> Saviour. But why is he saviour? I doubt he would do that for 
> Snape. What he did was to save Sirius and Remus from trouble. And 
> also, didn't Snape tell Harry that what James did was to save 
> *himself* from trouble?

SSSusan:
Consider the SOURCE of that remark!:-)  How would Snape know James' 
motivation?

I guess I would argue that, while we have only two *scenes* we have 
all KINDS of recollections & rememberances of James throughout 
canon.  Testimony, if you will.  Hagrid, DD, Snape, Lupin, Sirius, 
they all have things to say about James and/or Lily.  I think, with 
qualification, those things can be brought in for comparison's 
sake.  We only EVER see what JKR allows us to see, yet we make 
judgments all the time of people's behaviors & character.  

Siriusly Snapey Susan