"He who has left me for ever" [was Re: Snape's Destiny/JKR quotes) (Long)]

[meltowne]

No: HPFGUIDX 105532

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Brenda M." 
<Agent_Maxine_is at h...> wrote:
> Bren now:
> 
> I thought the one "who has left me for ever" was Cornelius Fudge. 
Any 
> idea WHY his last name is so delicious but his character isn't? I 
> read this in the North Tower Column in Mugglenet.com and it was 
very 
> convincing, to me at least. 

I have not yet read the essays, but I was already thinking the same - 
consider that the scene at the beginning of the PoA movie wih Fudge 
doesn't really seem that importatnt to the movie, and ould have been 
eliminated - save for the fact that it might be the important scene 
that JRK said had to remain.

> Another point I wanted to make is this:
> 
> I have seen HP fans deciding which character is a DE and who's not, 
> mostly based on the Graveyard Scene in GoF. This is definitely a 
> great incident to categorize characters that way, if not the best. 
I 
> highly doubt that Voldemort was trying to fool his `true family' 
> there, I think *what he says* can be taken at face value. I 
emphasize 
> *what he says* because I don't think he necessarily revealed 
> EVERYTHING there.
> 
> Now, I am not too certain just WHO is marked as Death Eater and who 
> is not
 but I did some counting from the books just to amuse myself.
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> 1. Death Eaters from Graveyard: 16+
> -- Wormtail, Avery, Lucius, Lestranges (2), "the next man", 
Macnair, 
> Crabbe, Goyle, Nott, `6 missing lads VM talks about' --
> 
>  "Some of the Death Easters he passed in silence, but he paused 
> before others, and spoke to them" (GoF, 564-565. UK)

I would assume even if there were 30 wizards, these would only be 
the "inner circle" and tht not all would be named - we have already 
been told that only LV himself knows who all the death eaters are.

> 2. The Order of Phoenix: 22+
> -- Moody, Dumbledore, Delalus Diggle, Marlene McKinnon, Frank & 
Alice Longbottom, Emmeline Vance, Remus Lupin, Benjy Fenwick, Edgar 
Bones, Sturgis Podmore, Caradoc Dearborn, Hagrid, Elphias Doge, 
Gideon & Fabian Prewett, Aberforth, Dorcas Meadowes, Sirius, James, 
Lily, Peter --
> 
> But Lupin says later on, when comforting Molly after her encounter 
> with Boggarts, "Last time we were outnumbered twenty to one by 
Death 
> Eaters and they were picking us off one by one
" (OoP, 161. UK)

Again, if the 30 in the graveyard are only the inner circle, this 
would fit well.

I suspect Fudge was a death eater, and the reason he doesn't want 
to "belive" that LV is back is because he has gotten comfortable with 
his own level of power in his absence.  A Return of LV means LV will 
want to be in control.  Fudge was only a death eater because it 
served his own purposes, not out of loyalty to LV.