Bertha, Florence, Frank, Alice, Bella, Rudolphus... and Snape?

nkafkafi nkafkafi at yahoo.com
Sun Jul 11 19:17:44 UTC 2004


No: HPFGUIDX 105642

Neri, again answering his own post <note to self: must break this 
habit> :

I've just found the canon proof that Bellatrix is older than Sirius 
by 2 years. How, oh how could I miss it before??? Here it is:

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OotP, Ch. 6:

'Bellatrix and her husband Rodolphus came in with Barty Crouch 
junior,' said Sirius, in the same brusque voice. 'Rodolphuss brother 
Rabastan was with them, too.'
    Then Harry remembered. He had seen Bellatrix Lestrange inside 
Dumbledore's Pensieve, the strange device in which thoughts and 
memories could be stored: a tall dark woman with heavy-lidded eyes, 
who had stood at her trial and proclaimed her continuing allegiance 
to Lord Voldemort, her pride that she had tried to find him after his 
downfall and her conviction that she would one day be rewarded for 
her loyalty.
    'You never said she was your — '
    'Does it matter if she's my cousin?' snapped Sirius. 'As far as 
I'm concerned, they're not my family. She's certainly not my family. 
I haven't seen her since I was your age, unless you count a glimpse 
of her coming into Azkaban. D'you think I'm proud of having a 
relative like her?'
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Sooooo. Sirius didn't see Bella since he was 15, Harry's age in OotP. 
That is, when Sirius was 15 (Year 5) it was Bella's last year in 
Hogwarts. And Sirius is very specific about it. He doesn't mean he 
didn't see her at the Black's house. He means he didn't see her even 
at Hogwarts, because he includes even "a glimpse" in Azkaban as a 
single exception. 

So we already have:

Canon (1): Bella is two years older than the marauders, Lily and 
Snape.

Canon (2): Bella, Rudolphus, Avery, Rosier, Wilkes, and Snape were in 
a "gang of Slytherins" at school. All of them became DEs later.

Canon (3): Bertha was "a few years" older than the marauders too.

Canon (4): Bertha was "about 16" at the time of the kiss.

Canon (5): Rosier and Wilkes were killed by aurors, a year before 
LV's fall.

Almost canon (6): Alice and Frank Longbottom were older than Lily and 
James, to allow for 3 years of auror training before they had Neville.

>From 2 and 3 follows: Bella and Bertha were approximately the same 
age (perhaps a year apart).

>From 6: Alice and Frank were also in this age group. 

>From 1 and 2: Except for Snape, the rest of the "gang" could have 
been in this age group too. Florence probably also.

>From 3 and 4: The marauders and Snape were at most 13 at the time of 
the kiss. It is thus not probable that one of them was Florence's 
kisser.

Prime suspects of kissing Florence and hexing Bertha are thus: Frank, 
Rudolphus, Avery, Rosier, Wilkes.

>From 5 and 6: Frank and/or Alice could be involved, as aurors, in 
killing Rosier and/or Wilkes. 

And of course we have:
Canon (7): Bella and Rudolphus tortured Alice and Frank to insanity 
after LV's fall, and were sent to Azkaban for it.

If all these things are not closely connected and of prime importance 
to the plot, I'll resign my position as a speculator in HPfGU.

Neri 






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