James the Berk?

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 105653



Valky wrote previously:
> > > > James only uses physically non-harmful hexes Snape ( I won't 
> say harmless because I concede the truth of psychological harm), 
> Snape employs a more dangerous attack on James than James even 
> considers unleashing on Snape. Although I accept that James was 
> indeed having a bit o' a lark at Snapes expense I see he was 
> *already noble*. 
> 
> Valky:

snip.

> It was in a related field of magic to the AK I would bet my entire 
> keepings in Grigotts on it. It was a Dark Arts Curse, I will take 
> that bet with anyone who dares. It was dangerous and it was the 
> precise 'case in point' to show that Snape was serious in battle 
> with James, deadly serious. I don't think he ever tried to hide 
that 
> fact. 
 
snip.
 
Del previously:
> > Snape is a lot of unpleasant things, but he's not *stupid*. I
> > seriously doubt that he would go killing a fellow student in broad
> > daylight and in front of dozens of eye-witnesses.
> > 

 Valky:
> You are talking about Snape the adult. I see absolutely no evidence 
> in Snape the child that even remotely implies an intelligent, 
> subtle, coolheaded person in control of himself.
> Now, he may have been smart enough to not attempt murder in the 
> broad daylight, this is true. Nevertheless, he was baying for James 
> blood. He would have taken whatever he could get, I see no canon 
> whatsoever in the pensieve scene to prove that he was any more 
> rational than this. 
> 
> 
> Del:
> > Honestly, if he really wanted to kill James, he could do it in a 
> much more discrete way. Just send a fake note from Lily telling him 
> to meet her in a secluded place at night, and zap him away from 
> spying eyes.
> >
> 
> Valky:
> Well I would not have put it past him to have done so at some stage.
> The truth is, i am soooo sure lets take another bet!, the only 
> person in range of these two boys that was the slighest bit a 
> challenge for them was each other.
> James was his nemesis. Not just his bully.
> 
> 
> 
  

Alla:


Oooo, Valky. It pains me to disagree with you , it really does. :o)

It is just as painful for me to agree with Del, honestly, but I have 
to do it. :) Not fully , mind you, but still.



Valky, I am positive that Pensieve scene had a HUGE backstory. I am 
ready to bet ANYTHING that there was a very old feuld either between 
James/or Sirius and Snape or their families.

I cannot exclude the possibility that either James and Snape or 
Sirius and Snape were related and they knew each other really well 
before they came to Hogwarts. 

I am also pretty sure that Snape's family knew Dark Arts and James 
hated Dark Arts.


I will never convict James and Sirius as bad people based on this 
scene alone, because really, if that was the worst thing they ever 
done in life, they are still retty good people in my book.



Having said all that, there is nothing, NOTHING , which can justify 
what James and Sirius did to Snape in that scene.

Now, if we will learn that pensieve is subjective (No, I don't 
consider the fact that Harry could see memories not only from Snape's 
head to be enough proof to the contrary) and say James' cut on the 
cheek was in reality bloody wound, if Snape provoked them first 
somehow, then I will reevaluate.


Right now, on its face it was reprehensible.

Let's take my favourite example - Snape and Harry. We could learn as 
some Snape advocates say that Snape has the best intentions toward 
Harry.

To me, it does not change anything. What Snape does to this child is 
reprehensible at FACE VALUE and no supposed good intentions will 
justify that.


Same thing with the pensieve scene - even if we learn that 
James/Sirius and Snape were bitter enemies, who both could dish it 
out, at FACE VALUE Pensieve scene is really bad.


Now, I am not saying that Snape was a poor dear angel in that scene.

But the only person who could complain was Lily and she gave me the 
impression that she could handle Snape pretty well.

If Lily started hexing Snape after that scene, that I would 
understand really well.  (No, that was not JUST A NAME, that Snape 
called her. To me, it indicates what kind of views that person holds. 
And, NO, there are some views ,which even though person is allowed to 
have, the person is not allowed to say them to other people, not just 
act on them)


If pensieve is objective, whatever Snape wanted to do to James, was 
well-deserved, IMO



Alla