...HRH friendship - SS/PS the obstacle course was meant for HRH

cubfanbudwoman susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net
Mon Jul 12 13:21:18 UTC 2004


No: HPFGUIDX 105770

Cathy wrote: 
> I want to know why there were three broomsticks in the winged key 
> room.  Three.  Seems a bit >> odd, doesn't it?  As though DD KNEW 
> HRH would be the ones to go after it.  Nearly anyone >> >> else 
> would be trying to get the stone would be acting alone, why would 
> they need three >> broomsticks.

vmonte responded:
> You are right Cathy, I think there is something fishy about the 
> entire obstacle course in SS/PS. I've said this before but I 
> believe that the whole course specifically geared for HRH. My 
> comments below are from a previous post.
> 
> Page 302, SS:
> "D'you think he meant you to do it?" said Ron. "Sending you your
> father's cloak and everything?"
> "Well," Hermione exploded, "if he did—I mean to say—that's terrible—
> you could have been killed."
> 
> "No, it isn't," said Harry thoughtfully. "He's a funny man,
> Dumbledore. I think he sort of wanted to give me a chance. I think
> he knows more or less everything that goes on here, you know. I
> reckon he had a pretty good idea we were going to try, and instead 
> of stopping us, he just taught us enough to help. I don't think it 
> was an accident he let me find out how the mirror worked. It's 
> almost like he thought I had the right to face Voldemort if I 
> could
"
> 
> vmonte:
> Interesting isn't it. This is exactly what Dumbledore has been doing
> throughout all the books. I think that the obstacles that were set 
> up were specifically geared for Harry, Hermione, and Ron to go 
> through.
> 
> Minerva's chess game -- Why did MM put this as an obstacle? Her 
> specialty is transfigurations!?  This was definitely geared for Ron 
> who excels in chess.
> 
> Madam Hooch's flying-key room -- This is obviously geared for Harry 
> who is great at flying.
> 
> DD's Mirror-of-Erised -- Harry even states that DD got him
> acquainted with it so that he would know how it works.
> 
> Professor Sprout's Devil's Snare – Hermione figures this out.
> 
> Page 285, Snape's obstacle
> 
> "Hermione let out a great sigh and Harry, amazed, saw that she was
> smiling, the very last thing he felt like doing."
> 
> "Brilliant," said Hermione. "This isn't magic—it's logic—a puzzle.
> A lot of the greatest wizards haven't got an ounce of logic, they'd
> be stuck in here forever."
> 
> vmonte:
> 
> It is unusual that Snape's obstacle has to do with logic, not
> potions. I think that out of all of these obstacles, Snape's really 
> seems geared for Voldemort. Perhaps he believed that Voldemort 
> would know every kind of potion there was--so he comes up with a 
> puzzle. And since Hermione is a super brain, she figures it out 
> anyway. (Or, maybe he did mean it for Hermione to solve.)
> 
> So finally, what I'm trying to say is that Dumbledore intended for
> the children to go through the obstacle course. He also intended for
> Harry to confront Voldemort at its end. He prepares Harry for this
> confrontation. 
> 
> DD created this obstacle course for the children. Is he training
> them for an as yet mentioned future role? 
> vivian


SSSusan:
WOO HOO!!  I knew there had to be others who believed this!!  Just a 
few days ago there was a thread called Mirror of the Heart, and in it 
I wrote this [post #105321]:

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I wonder, though, why DD would want to give Harry such a gift [Kneasy 
had suggested DD gave Harry the gift of seeing his parents in the 
Mirror of Erised] (bec. it seems that is what you're saying, it
was the gift of seeing his family) when he also KNEW that Harry
would be tempted to sit there and rot in front of it, tormented.
Yes, thrilled beyond measure, but also so obsessed that he couldn't
tear himself away.

It's possible that DD did cause this. But it's also possible that
DD set it up so that Harry would find it, come to know its
true "mechanism" of showing our deepest desires and to then show him
how dangerous a thing it can become precisely because it does show
our deepest desires.

But why do this?

I really think it was all a set-up by DD, but for a different
purpose than you're putting forth. I think DD knew he was going to
use the mirror as the final protection for the Stone, and I believe
those 7 tasks were set up as *sort of* a protection but also as a
testing ground for Harry--to test his character, his determination,
and his talents & abilities. Showing the mirror to Harry early
allowed him to explain it to Harry; then he could test his mettle,
to see just what Harry was made of when the stone was on the line.

BTW, I don't think Harry's deepest desire was to get out of there at
that moment. I don't think he was focusing on that *yet*. I think
his deepest desire was truly to STOP Q!V, and THIS is precisely what
DD was testing in Harry. WOULD his deepest desire be to split, or
would it be (as DD suspected & hoped) to stop Q!V and protect the
stone?
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What I hadn't thought as much about, vmonte, was how the tasks were 
set up nicely for all *three* of them.  Thank you for pulling out the 
canon to support this. :-)

Siriusly Snapey Susan






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