[HPforGrownups] SHHermione's Reaction to... Was: Re: Harry's first Kiss

[udder_pen_dragon]

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delwynmarch <delwynmarch at yahoo.com> wrote:

Udderpd wrote 1st :
> >I agree that she would have to tell Ron in words of one syllable what she thinks of him for it to get through his thick head and I believe that she would do this if she fancied him. 

Del replies :
>Uh ? You lost me there. Why would Hermione tell Ron in no uncertain terms to get lost (which is basically what I suggested) if she *fancied* him ?
If she fancies him, she might *not* want to openly talk about it with Ron, especially considering that he doesn't seem ready to face his own feelings.


Udderpd 2nd

You are misconstruing what I wrote and I am sorry if I wasn't clear. You have added a "to get lost" She wont tell him anything if she doesn't fancy him she will only tell him anything if she likes him and that would be that she likes him.

 


Udderpd wrote 1st:
> >She also knows that if she doesn't fancy him and she tells Ron exactly what she thinks of him, his self centered jealousy will blow the trio apart and she is not willing to do this. 

Del replies :
>The only case where Ron's jealousy might be a problem would be if Hermione told him she fancies Harry instead. And we don't know that, no more than we know if she fancies Ron. Both possibilities are just that : possibilities. If Hermione simply doesn't fancy Ron, I see no reason why her telling
so should cause any rift in the Trio. Could you explain to me why it would ?

Udderpd 2nd 

So you are trying to tell me that Ron wasn't jealous of Krum going to the ball with Hermione? His attitude is if I don't have any other girl then Hermione should be mine, he cares not one jot what she thinks.



Udderpd wrote  1st: 
> >You intermate that she doesn't understand Harry, I believe that she does and she is willing to keep her feelings for Harry on the back burner until Harry is ready. And she probably knows that this wont be until after the death of Voldemort.

Del replies :
> I never said that I think Hermione doesn't understand Harry. She does, almost better than Harry himself most of the time. What I said is that she doesn't always know how to *handle* him in OoP, that's completely different.
And I don't see why the fact that Hermione understands Harry should mean that she has feelings for him. Or inversely either : having feelings for Harry wouldn't necessarily mean understanding him.
Having feelings for someone and understanding them are two widely different things, unfortunately too rarely connected.


Udderpd  2nd

Maybe the meaning you attribute to the word feelings is different to mine.


Udderpd wrote 1st:
>> I would be the last person to deny that Ron has feelings for or fancied Hermione, but he must have she is one of his two best friends and he doesn' know any other girls. The only other females he interacts with socialy are his mother and sister and his sister he is trying to turn into a female version of himself, by forbiding her to talk socialy with boys. 

Del replies :
> Harry's no better. He fell for a pretty face he didn't know, as he discovered when he found himself confronted to the prospect of a whole day in her sole company. Apart from Cho, the only girls he ever talks to are Hermione and Ginny. So according to your own reasoning, even if Harry discovered in himself feelings for either girl, that would be only because he doesn't know anyone else. Harry is just as clueless about love and girls as Ron is.

 

Udderpd 2nd

Stop trying to change the subject to Harry it doesn't hold up Hermione, Ginny, Luna and Cho (these are the only ones I can remember off the top of my head) are all potential girlfriends for Harry and he has talked socialy to all of them. And I agree he still seems clueless but his worry of Voldermort is kind of distracting and inhibiting isn't it.

 

 

Udderpd wrote 1st:
>> It would be very easy to argue that his childishness after the yule ball is him trying to treat Hermione the same way as he treats Ginny and she's not having any of it. 

Del replies :
> I completely disagree. Ron treats Ginny as his little baby girl, and is affronted that anyone could think of pure innocent little virgin angel Ginny as a young *woman*. On the other hand, Ron didn't even want to admit that Hermione was a girl. The two situations couldn't be more different. 

Udderpd 2nd

Who are you trying to kidd? They are the same thing Ron doesn't know any different. 



Udderpd wrote 1st:
>> Let us not forget that Victor is Jealous of Harry not Ron Hermione talked constantly of Harry when she was with Victor.

Del replies :
>So ? I agree that one interpretation is indeed that Hermione has feelings for Harry.
Another one is that she's not talking about Harry himself, but about his problems, in an attempt to find solutions to them.
Yet a third theory is that she doesn't want to betray her feelings for another boy in front of the boy who is taking her out, so she
pointedly talks about the boy for whom she has *no* feelings (and yes girls do that sometimes).
A fourth is that Viktor is indeed jealous of Harry but for other
reasons (Harry is as famous as Viktor, he's as talented as Viktor and he's beating him in the Tournament) so he bristles each time Hermione mentions Harry's name, but he doesn't notice how much she mentions Ron's name because he doesn't consider Ron a threat. 

A fifth is that he read Rita Skeeter but because he's the over-jealous type he can't bring himself to believe Hermione when she denies everything, and wants to have a talk with Harry anyway.
That was just out of the top of my head. I'm sure if I tried I could
find several other logical and plausible explanations for Viktor's
jealousy.

Udderpd 2nd

Occams razor the most lightly explanation is usually correct and I do not believe that you really believe any other than the first explanation, it is the only one that makes any sense.



Udderpd wrote :
>> Ron needs to chat socialy with a lot more girls and then he might learn about himself and (as much as any mere male can) about girls.

Del replies :
>Considering how clueless he was about Cho, I'd say Harry had better do that too.


Uddrepd 2nd

Agreed but at least Harry has had some Ron has had none. In my honest opinion Ron and Luna will make a fine couple.

TTFN  Udder Pen Dragon





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