SHHermione's Reaction to... Was: Re: Harry's first Kiss

[delwynmarch]

No: HPFGUIDX 106378


Udderpd wrote :
> I agree that she would have to tell Ron in words of one syllable what
> she thinks of him for it to get through his thick head and I believe 
> that she would do this if she fancied him.  

Del replies :
Uh ? You lost me there. Why would Hermione tell Ron in no uncertain
terms to get lost (which is basically what I suggested) if she
*fancied* him ?

If she fancies him, she might *not* want to openly talk about it with
Ron, especially considering that he doesn't seem ready to face his own
feelings.

Udderpd wrote :
> She also knows that if she doesn't fancy him and she tells Ron 
> exactly what she thinks of him, his self centered jealousy will blow 
> the trio apart and she is not willing to do this. 

Del replies :
The only case where Ron's jealousy might be a problem would be if
Hermione told him she fancies Harry instead. And we don't know that,
no more than we know if she fancies Ron. Both possibilities are just
that : possibilities.
If Hermione simply doesn't fancy Ron, I see no reason why her telling
so should cause any rift in the Trio. Could you explain to me why it
would ?

Udderpd wrote : 
> You intermate that she doesn't understand Harry, I believe that she 
> does and she is willing to keep her feelings for Harry on the back 
> burner until Harry is ready. And she probably knows that this wont be
>  until after the death of Voldemort.

Del replies :
I never said that I think Hermione doesn't understand Harry. She does,
almost better than Harry himself most of the time. What I said is that
she doesn't always know how to *handle* him in OoP, that's completely
different.

And I don't see why the fact that Hermione understands Harry should
mean that she has feelings for him. Or inversely either : having
feelings for Harry wouldn't necessarily mean understanding him.

Having feelings for someone and understanding them are two widely
different things, unfortunately too rarely connected.

Udderpd wrote :
> I would be the last person to deny that Ron has feelings for or 
> fancied Hermione, but he must have she is one of his two best friends
> and he doesn' know any other girls. The only other females he 
> interacts with socialy are his mother and sister and his sister he is
> trying to turn into a female version of himself, by forbiding her to 
> talk socialy with boys. 

Del replies :
Harry's no better. He fell for a pretty face he didn't know, as he
discovered when he found himself confronted to the prospect of a whole
day in her sole company. Apart from Cho, the only girls he ever talks
to are Hermione and Ginny. So according to your own reasoning, even if
Harry discovered in himself feelings for either girl, that would be
only because he doesn't know anyone else. Harry is just as clueless
about love and girls as Ron is.

Udderpd wrote :
> It would be very easy to argue that his childishness after the yule 
> ball is him trying to treat Hermione the same way as he treats Ginny 
> and she's not having any of it. 

Del replies :
I completely disagree. Ron treats Ginny as his little baby girl, and
is affronted that anyone could think of pure innocent little virgin
angel Ginny as a young *woman*. On the other hand, Ron didn't even
want to admit that Hermione was a girl. The two situations couldn't be
more different.

Udderpd wrote :
> Let us not forget that Victor is Jealous of Harry not Ron Hermione 
> talked constantly of Harry when she was with Victor.

Del replies :
So ?
I agree that one interpretation is indeed that Hermione has feelings
for Harry.
Another one is that she's not talking about Harry himself, but about
his problems, in an attempt to find solutions to them.
Yet a third theory is that she doesn't want to betray her feelings for
another boy in front of the boy who is taking her out, so she
pointedly talks about the boy for whom she has *no* feelings (and yes
girls do that sometimes).
A fourth is that Viktor is indeed jealous of Harry but for other
reasons (Harry is as famous as Viktor, he's as talented as Viktor and
he's beating him in the Tournament) so he bristles each time Hermione
mentions Harry's name, but he doesn't notice how much she mentions
Ron's name because he doesn't consider Ron a threat.
A fifth is that he read Rita Skeeter but because he's the over-jealous
type he can't bring himself to believe Hermione when she denies
everything, and wants to have a talk with Harry anyway.
That was just out of the top of my head. I'm sure if I tried I could
find several other logical and plausible explanations for Viktor's
jealousy.

Udderpd wrote :
> Ron needs to chat socialy with a lot more girls and then he might 
> learn about himself and (as much as any mere male can) about girls.

Del replies :
Considering how clueless he was about Cho, I'd say Harry had better do
that too.

Del