[HPforGrownups] Lily's sacrifice, was (James gave his life, why no protection from him?)

[Brigitte Lockyer]

No: HPFGUIDX 106701



saraquel_omphale <omphale at onetel.com> wrote:
Saraquel suggested (106592)that the priori incantatem indicates that 
the only spell from LVs wand killed Lily, scarred Harry and rebounded 
on Voldemort.  Which leaves the question as to how Harry
got the scar, if not directly from the curse.

Entropy throws in (paraphrased) Lily performed a charm to protect 
Harry sealed by her death which caused the scar. > > Dumbledore may 
have recognized the eihwaz rune when he saw Harry's
> > scar for the first time, realizing the Ancient Magic behind it, 
and
> > that is why he decided to leave Harry "marked". > 


Tina questions 
> I came to understand that the scar was where Voldemort 
> marked Harry (as his equal). 
> 
>  In OOtP chapter 37, pp 826-827, DD says "I guessed fifteen years 
> ago, when I saw the scar upon your forehead, what it might mean.  I 
> guessed that it might be the sign of connection forged between you 
> and Voldemort."  


Saraquel responds:
The wording of this bit could very well support Entropy's theory, 
which I like very much.  The scar is not a mark made by LV, but a 
sign reminding of Lily's sacrifice which was perhaps burned (forged) 
into his skin by the power of LVs curse.

Tina also says: 
> Then on p 843 DD goes on to say "You are forgetting the next part 
of 
> the prophecy, the final identifying feature of the boy who could 
> vanquish Voldemort....  Voldemort himself would 'mark him as his 
> equal.'  And so he did, Harry.  He chose you, not Neville.  He gave 
> you the scar that has proved both blessing and curse."
> 
> It seems clear that Voldemort gave him the scar and not Lily.  Now, 


Saraquel continues:
I do agree, that at first sight this would seem to indicate something 
more direct. However, the scar on Harry's forehead only came into 
being because LV cursed Lily, so he did do it even though he didn't 
realize at the time that was what he was doing. 

To take things further, what does it mean to say LV MARKED H as his 
equal.  It can be taken as a literal thing, as in his scar.  But it 
is also possible to interpret (this is a use of the word in England 
and quite probably elsewhere I don't know) the meaning of MARK to 
be 'to realise' as in 'Mark my words'.  Now that's something LV 
hasn't done yet.  At the end of GoF he most definitely sees Harry as 
his inferior.  But tha's starting a whole new discussion.....




Brigitte:  

I think you all have made some very valid arguments and points about Lily doing a protection charm on Harry.  However, I think that Tina is correct in saying that LV did curse Harry to produce the scar. LV tired to curse Harry and in doing so caused the lightning bolt (as a symbol of Lily's protection) to scar Harry's forehead.  LV had to curse Harry directly to be able to transfer his some of his powers, like parseltongue on to Harry and I think that his powers were channeled into Harry by the lightning scar.  Maybe part of Lily's charm was to allow for the transferal of LV's power unto Harry.  As to Saraquel's observation that the prior incantatem didn't produce a spell between Lily and Bertha, the only explanation I can give is maybe it only shows spells that were completed correctly.  Since the spell backfired maybe the wand didn't register it as a completed spell?  

Brigitte


		
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