CoS versus the Dark Mark (was Re: Sirius,Snape,Lily,CoS)

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I am replying to two posts (very late, I apologize) I think I missed 
a whole days worth of posts somehow. 


Post # 104523 - Nadine

First, let me say that I really like your «reading» of the prophecy
Snow. I think you are on to something. I would like to add that on
her website, JKR says that if «Ginny had died and Tom Riddle would
have escaped the diary (in CoS), it would have strengthened the
present day Voldemort considerably.» Why ? Is it because Ginny is
full of the same «power» Harry is suppose to have plenty off ? Could
it be love and a little bit of Godric Gryffindor's ?

Snow:

Good point! So if Voldemort would have received the original body of 
Tom Riddle, via the diary, Voldemort could have, would have been 
unstoppable. 

Nadine:

Your post reminded me also of something Voldemort said in the
graveyard scene in GoF. He said (The Death Eaters Chapter) : «.. I
was willing to embrace mortal life again (...) I set my sights
lower... I would settle for my old body back again and my old
strength.»
Did he really settle for his old body ? Voldy needed three powerful
ingredients : (1) Flesh given by a servant; (2) His father's bone
and (3) The blood of a foe. What bugs me is that Tom Riddle Sr. was
not a wizard. The Salazar Slytherin's blood that used to flow in
Voldemort's old body came from his mother and I presume it was
destroyed in Godric's Hollow. Somehow, the «new» Voldemort seems to
be walking around minus the old Salazar Slytherin component. Is he
a «quarter» blood sort of Lord now ? Maybe that is the explanation
for the look of triumph in DD's eye. There seem to always be a half
something (or someone) missing somewhere. What part am I missing ?

Snow:

I have said the same thing and I am so glad to hear that I am not 
alone in this puzzlement. The ingredients to make this new body have 
to have some type of drawback to it or else why would JKR make the 
statement that you referred to above? Unless it is more significant 
for Voldemort to have his original Tom Riddle body. This implies to 
me that the body that he made for himself is missing an essential 
ingredient. Now I've come back to the Split Tom Riddle theory. If the 
part of Tom Riddle that was dormant in Harry cannot be obtained to 
complete and unify itself with the remains of the part of Tom Riddle 
in Voldemort then it would make sense that Voldemort would become 
considerably strengthened by a whole Tom Riddle who came back through 
the diary. 
I hope that made sense to someone other than me. 

Post # 104559 Adan here, somewhat confused:

Okay, I think y'all are saying that, basically, there is a bit of Tom
in both Harry and Voldemort. That that is their connection. And I
can see that. Really, I can. I just don't see how it is to be
either Harry or Tom that must die. Would killing Tom in one,
automatically kill him in the other? And then, if Tom is what is
keeping Voldemort alive, then that would kill Voldemort? I'm so
confused.

Snow:
I believe that there is a battle within Harry. The Tom portion that 
had lied dormant has been awakened since Voldemort/Tom's rebirth. The 
conflict though lies within Harry. In OOP Harry appears to be very 
dark, angry and even to the point of committing an unforgivable 
against Bella. This doesn't appear to be in Harry's natural nature 
but it sure looks like something young Tom Riddle would act like. In 
fact, you hear a lot of talking inside Harry's head, mostly during 
the Grimald Place scene. Could this be the Tom Riddle within? I think 
yes. It is the influence of Tom Riddle that is in Harry that Harry 
needs to fight. If Harry can fight and dominate over this influence 
he may possibly be able to suffocate one half of Tom Riddle leaving 
the half that remains in Voldemort worthless, powerless.

It was because of the split of Tom Riddle that occurred in Godric's 
Hollow that the dark lord can be vanquished. When this dark lord, 
entity possessed Tom Riddle, through open arms from Tom, they became 
as one, Voldemort. This dark lord could have gone on to another prey 
except that he has already connected with Tom Riddle who has 
unfortunately, for him, been split in two. The dark lord cannot move 
on without the rest of Tom Riddle. He also cannot possess in "great 
power" another "willing" recipient because of this as-one-connection. 
Therefore the only hope that the dark lord has is in killing Harry to 
retrieve the other half of Tom to continue with his future endeavors.
 
Harry does not have the same connection to Tom Riddle as the dark 
lord does to Tom Riddle because it was "thrust upon Harry 
unwillingly". Tom Riddle was willing to accept this dark lord and his 
promises. Harry doesn't choose, as he is a baby, to except or deny 
the dark lord side of Tom Riddle that lies within. Harry, now older 
has a choice. 

It is our choices that save us! Will Harry make the right choice or 
will he succumb to the enemy that has been inflicted upon him?  


Sorry again for being late in the reply.

Snow