Snape responsible?
cubfanbudwoman
susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net
Tue Jul 27 23:52:03 UTC 2004
No: HPFGUIDX 107917
Pippin, earlier:
>>> If Hogwarts teachers could be sacked mid-year without
evidence of misconduct, Umbridge would have done it. What
evidence did they have? Snape did not see Quirrell on his way to
the 3rd floor corridor. He could not prove that Quirrell was hexing
the broom. Harry and Hermione told Hagrid they thought *Snape* had
done it. Raising the issue would have got Snape sacked, not
Quirrell.<<<
SSSusan then said:
>> Snape may not have had proof about Quirrell, but he had
suspicions; otherwise the "where your loyalties lie" speech
wouldn't have happened. I'm just asking why Snape went SOLO
in his plan to watch over Quirrell. Why didn't he tell DD all this?
Or do you think DD *did* know about Snape's concerns and didn't do
any investigating?<<
Pippin responded:
> I see I didn't make myself clear. I do think Dumbledore knew
> about Snape's concerns, and did investigate, did protect Harry,
> but didn't turn up anything that would convince the Ministry or
> the Board of Governors.
>
> Do you think it was an accident that Firenze turned up
> just in time to save Harry in the forest? Every time Harry goes
> into the forest he has the feeling he's being watched...why do you
> think that is?
>
> As far as we know Quirrell did not make another attempt on
> Harry's life or try to steal the stone again until the end of
> term, so there was no opportunity to get evidence against him.
> Dumbledore seems to have known about Harry's scar hurting
> but that wouldn't prove anything--at least it didn't in GoF.
SSSusan previously:
>> Why would DD have believed what H/R/H *thought*, rather than
what Snape *said*? And why wouldn't Snape have just told the
truth: that Quirrel (or *someone*, if he was not sure it was Q.)
was hexing Harry's broom? I can't imagine that DD would doubt
Snape. After all, he's always saying, "I trust Severus Snape."<<
Pippin responded:
> The question is not whether DD would believe Snape over Harry
> and Hermione but whether anyone else would. The BoG is
> under the sway of Lucius Malfoy at this point in the story. Do you
> really think a formal investigation would have turned out in any
> desirable way? I can see Lucius suavely offering to protect the
> Stone in Malfoy Manor, can't you?
SSSusan now:
I guess I'm not sure about the "do you really thinks" in here,
because, well, I never said I *did* or *didn't* think any of this.
I believe we were talking at cross purposes; I was talking about
Snape not telling DD, and you are talking about DD not telling
anyone outside Hogwarts, or its Board of Governors. I wasn't
arguing with you previously, so much as trying to understand what
you were saying to me. [Maybe my tone came across as argumentative
(I hope not); in fact, I thought you'd misread me and I was curious
what you were getting at.]
How you've responded just now makes sense. I just wasn't convinced
DD knew. That's why I asked if you thought Snape *had* told DD.
Now that you point out that we never saw Q. going after the stone
again 'til the end of the year and that we never saw him attacking
Harry again 'til the end, I can see the strong possibility that
maybe Snape *did* go to DD, and that Q. knew DD & Snape were
watching him closely. That actually makes me feel much better about
Snape.
So even though we were talking about different things before, I
think I get it now!
Siriusly Snapey Susan
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