Sirius's part in Sirius's death was Re: Snape's part in death of Sirius

[cubfanbudwoman]

No: HPFGUIDX 108019

SSSusan:
> > I agree wholeheartedly, Potioncat.  BELLATRIX LESTRANGE is 
> > the one  who holds the blame for Sirius' death.  Second in line, 
> > *I* would  say, is Sirius himself for: 1) disregarding Snape's 
> > instruction/suggestion/request [take your pick]; and 2) 
> > *possibly*  underestimating Bellatrix in the DoM.  IMO, the 
> > other folks, the  other bits & pieces of what happened, were 
> > unfortunate elements of  circumstance that came together to 
> > contribute to the death and to  make *lots* of people either 
> > feel bad or look bad. 

Pippin: 
> You left out 3) underestimating Kreacher. JKR has said we'll 
> understand why Sirius had to die. I think that means it wasn't a 
> random killing.  Snape's involvement is a sideshow. JKR is 
> laughing to herself while we argue about whether Snape is 
> Harry's nemesis, or his guardian angel, or just a really 
> unpleasant guy with a job to do. 


SSSusan again:
Yikes--I certainly did!  That was a huge oversight on my part, 
because of course you're right that he played a role in this death 
as large as any of the others outside of Bellatrix & Sirius 
himself.  


Pippin:
> Bella (or whoever, canon does not say explicitly that she killed 
> Black) had a motive for killing Sirius. Consider--with the last of 
> the Blacks dead, Kreacher could leave the house, thus escaping 
> further questioning. What did he know? Something about the 
> Malfoys? Or something about someone *in* the house?


SSSusan:
Hee!!  Look at you, Pippin--you didn't even use this perfect opening 
to openly revisit your position that it was ESE!Lupin "pulling the 
trigger" on Sirius! :-)  I will concede that **if** Bella didn't 
fire the final curse, then of course we'll have to open up the Blame 
Game to whomever it was who did. [NEVER Lupin-no, no!!  He's ESS!
Lupin (that is, Ever-So-Sweet!Lupin).] 

What is it that you suspect Kreacher knows that hasn't come out 
yet?  DD already believes, after using his "persuasive" techniques 
on Kreacher, that he was acting that night on the Malfoys' 
instructions.  Do you think he knows *more* about them, or do you 
think the "someone" in the house that Kreacher knows "something" 
about is Lupin?

Siriusly Snapey Susan