What evidence do we have againt Lucius?

[Cathy Drolet]

No: HPFGUIDX 108181

Mandy said:

"Tonks and Shaklebolt both work secretly for the Order whilst holding 
down ministry jobs. Tonks as an Auror, and Shaklebolt as head of the 
search for Sirius Black. They are both spying on the Ministry for 
DD.  Remember the trouble Arthur and Shaklebolt went to keep their 
relationship quiet so as not to jeopardize Shaklebolt position in the 
Ministry?  Would DD want the Ministry to know he had Order members 
inside the Ministry spying?  DD may not care at this point, but he 
could also just as easily want to keep their position within the 
Order quiet, and simply refuse to let them testify. " 


DuffyPoo now:

At this point though, the Order no longer needs to be secret.  LV will remember the Order from of old.  He knows DD, he knows DD's got the old gang back together.  I don't think the Order, during VWI was operating in secret from the MoM.  It was this time, for a year, because the head of the Ministry, our dear Mr. Fudge, didn't want to believe the truth about LV having returned to bodily form.  Hard to miss now that he's seen LV with his own eyes.

One other person I've forgotten in all this is Snape.  He knows why Harry & Co have gone to the DoM and what they expected to find there.  He may or may not have known the DEs were planning something.  

Mandy:

"Any competent defense lawyer could destroy the testimony"

DuffyPoo again:

After all we've read about trials and, um, lack of trials, you think there is going to be an attourney present?  Think back to the pensieve scene when HP was in DD's office.  None of those people: Karkaroff, Bagman, the Lestranges or Crouch, had any type of defence counsel on the scene.  It was the Wizengamot or some such only.  They know the Ministry's side of the story, they hear the accused's side of the story and make a decision.  Or Crouch made the decision himself.  I'm not expecting any grand trial that HP or anyone else has to take part in.  The DEs are already in Azkaban after all.  Let's not forget that Sirius was chucked into Azkaban without a trial, and so was our friend Hagrid.  Hagrid had only needed to be removed from the school to prevent the attacks, if it was he that was causing them.  Instead he was put into Azkaban as a 'precaution.'

We've still got Moody, and like I said before, he may be paranoid but I expect there are enough people left in the ministry who respect him and what he did in the previous war, that they will listen to his testimony.  We've still got DD who put the anti-disapparition jinx on Malfoy and the rest..  We've still got Williamson and Dawlish who went down to the DoM, or were ordered to at least, and apparently must have found them there or they wouldn't be sitting in Azkaban now.  We've got the simple fact that, while those kids may not have been supposed to be in the DoM, the DEs weren't supposed to be in there either and they were caught there. And we've still got Fudge who, I would presume had seen them before they were shuffled off to Azkaban, and has certainly now seen LV for himself.  

I also seem to remember quite a flood of witches and wizards arriving at the MoM as HP was coming round after the LV possession.  Unless the DE's are somehow evaporated to Azkaban, some of them at least must have seen the departure, or removal from the DoM at least.  






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