FLOOZY 2 - Bagman

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No: HPFGUIDX 108188

> Kneasy.   <<in message 73901>>> 
> Subject: Ludo Bagman - A Cause for Concern.
>SNIP> 
> Ludo Bagman gives the impression of being a bumbling fool, making 
>bad decisions by ineptitude and associating with enemy supporters 
>through pure gullibility. 


Aggie:
Bit like someone else really!! Fudge springs to mind and I doubt JKR 
would have written two characters in the same vein.

Kneasy:
<SNIP>
> The Trial.
>> Beater than his answers to the charges.
> 
> 1. What information would a person in his position have that was so 
> important?
> 
> 2. Despite the vehement opposition of Crouch and his fellow 
accusers, some-one does get him a job in the Ministry. Who?


Aggie:
My very questions!!  Oops!  Sorry, I didn't poach them!!! 


Kneasy:
> Bertha Jorkins.
> 4. Did she recognise Pettigrew? Her memory was good enough to cope 
>with the relatives she met, so it would be expected she would 
>recognise some-one she had been at school with who had become so 
>infamous.  So why did she go wandering off into the woods with him, 
>allowing him his opportunity to control her? Was this meeting by 
>chance or design?


Aggie:
Very good point!  My only theory as to why she would go off with 
Peter would be that he fed her the cock and bull story of his 
innocence, that he was on the run from Sirius (esp now he had 
escaped) and she bought it.


> Kneasy:
> The Quidditch World Cup.
<<<SNIP>>>
> When told of the trouble at the campsite his response  is 
> "Damn them!" He then disparates. He re-apppears after Winky is found
> with Potter's wand. He babbles on about the Dark Mark, and avoids 
> Crouches question about where he has been by asking why Crouch 
hadn't taken his seat at the World Cup.
> When Winky is questioned by Diggory as to who conjured the Dark 
Mark, her eyes flicker from Diggory, to Bagman, then to Crouch.
> 
> 5. "Damn them!" is a curious response here; it carries the 
>implication of knowledge of the participants.
> 
> 6. Winky categorically states at a later date that Bagman is "a bad 
> wizard". Is this why she glances at Bagman? Does she know or 
>believe that Bagman is involved in the riot or it's aftermath?
> 
> 7. Just where did Bagman apparate to?
> 
> 8. Did the Subject know that Crouch would be 
distracted/discomforted by 
> the reminder of who was in Crouchs' seat?
> 


Aggie:
I love this!  You are SO right, "Damn them" is a curious statement!  
It's as though he wasn't suprised or shocked or disturbed by the 
event, just annoyed!!  


Kneasy:
> The Tri-Wizard Tournament.
<SNIP>>
> 10. Why did he "run for it" immediately after the third task? At 
>this point only a small group were aware of what had happened. 
>Certainly the result was  uncertain and there were no Goblins 
>present to make a fuss. However, this was about the time that 
>Voldemort was calling his followers.

Aggie:
Of all your points, this one is the clincher for me!!  It is very 
suspicious timing, to say the least!!  And JKR justs casually 
mentions it.  There's no big scene about it, which in my opinion 
means it's a dead cert to be significant!!

Kneasy: 
> 11. Does Bagman have a Dark Mark? Did he realise that Voldemort had 
> risen again? Is he perhaps the cowardly follower who will pay?

Aggie: 
If this is the case then we run out of phrases!  If Bagman is 
the 'coward' then what does that make Karkaroff?  We have three 
phrases, The Coward, The Traitor and The Most Loyal Servant.  We have 
(among general consensus) three DEs, Karkaroff, Snape and Crouch 
Jnr.  If Bagman is in there then one of those must have been at the 
graveyard.  Of course Karkaroff *could* have been there as he 
disappeared after the dark mark burned.  He wouldn't have had the 
problems that Snape would have had with timings etc as he didn't 
return to Hogwarts. 


>Kneasy:
> "Bagman has never been accused of any Dark activity since [his 
>trial]." - Albus Dumbledore. Perhaps the key word is 'accused'.

Aggie:
but that could go for Snape too.  I looked up DD's remark about Snape 
to see if it differed from Bagman's but it's just an addition to this 
conversation  "No more has Professor Snape."

It's also bizarre that he didn't appear in OotP.  As far as I'm 
aware, JKR has only given us one relatively main character that 
hasn't been relevant throughout the series and that was Quirrell. 
Bagman featured too much to just disappear.
 
Thanks SO much for this link!  It's very incitful!! I can't believe 
that no-body replied to this when it was originally posted!!

I'm off to read GoF again now!!

Thanks to Carolyn and SSSusan for their comments.  Loved your 
radiobay Carolyn!   Very well researched!