FLOOZY 2 - Bagman

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No: HPFGUIDX 108211

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "aggiepaddy" <aggie at r...> wrote:
> 
> Aggie: 
> If this is the case then we run out of phrases!  If Bagman is 
> the 'coward' then what does that make Karkaroff?  We have three 
> phrases, The Coward, The Traitor and The Most Loyal Servant.  We have 
> (among general consensus) three DEs, Karkaroff, Snape and Crouch 
> Jnr.  If Bagman is in there then one of those must have been at the 
> graveyard.  Of course Karkaroff *could* have been there as he 
> disappeared after the dark mark burned.  He wouldn't have had the 
> problems that Snape would have had with timings etc as he didn't 
> return to Hogwarts. 
> 
> 

Kneasy:
Well, I was being a little bit provocative there. There's not enough hard 
evidence to accuse Bagman of being a DE, though plenty to make one
suspicious of his motives,  and  you don't need to be a DE to be a
Voldy supporter - many weren't in the first war.

As an extra incentive - it's pretty certain that Baggy is pure-blood.
It was his father that was a friend of Rookwood. Being a DE, would
 Rookwood become friendly with one of the great unwashed? 
Unlikely.

> >Kneasy:
> > "Bagman has never been accused of any Dark activity since [his 
> >trial]." - Albus Dumbledore. Perhaps the key word is 'accused'.
> 
> Aggie:
> but that could go for Snape too.  I looked up DD's remark about Snape 
> to see if it differed from Bagman's but it's just an addition to this 
> conversation  "No more has Professor Snape."
> 
> It's also bizarre that he didn't appear in OotP.  As far as I'm 
> aware, JKR has only given us one relatively main character that 
> hasn't been relevant throughout the series and that was Quirrell. 
> Bagman featured too much to just disappear.
> 

Kneasy:
I  agree.
It'd be a tragedy if a character like Bagman were only to appear in one
book in the series. It's also a tragedy that he's been mostly ignored by
posters. He does so much in just one book that is so ambiguous. OK,
DD may be speaking the literal truth about accusations; Winky may be
prejudiced by family ties, but Rita - "I  know things about Bagman
that'd make your hair curl" - what a mouth-watering prospect!

Don't forget -  if you read carefully it's mostly at Bagman's urgings
that Harry is accepted as a valid competitor in the TWT. He's the one
that starts quoting the rule book and acts relieved when the others
agree. He's the one that half-heartedly offers help to Harry then
seems unconcerned when it's refused. But he couldn't have made
his bet with the Goblins because he didn't know that Harry's name
would come out of the Goblet - unless Crouch!Moody told him.
And why would Crouch!Moody tell him? No reason at all - unless
Bagman was an ally and an accomplice.

Aggie:   
> Thanks SO much for this link!  It's very incitful!! I can't believe 
> that no-body replied to this when it was originally posted!!
> 
> I'm off to read GoF again now!!
> 
> Thanks to Carolyn and SSSusan for their comments.  Loved your 
> radiobay Carolyn!   Very well researched!

Kneasy:
Understandable. It was posted just a month after OoP was published.
After a three year drought the members had fresh meat to get their
teeth into at long last; a post on the happenings of the previous book
didn't have a very high priority. Besides which - Bagman had vanished.