The Prophecy's half fulfilled WAS Re: Neville and the Prophecy

[Cathy Drolet]

No: HPFGUIDX 108288

Aggie; going off at a slight tangent,

>>>Let's break it down:
"The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches..."
Done - Harry *vanquished* the Dark Lord at Godric's Hollow<<<

DuffyPoo now:

Ok, first off, in my theory, HP didn't vanquish anybody, it was Lily's sacrifice.

However, DD's use of the word has bothered me for some time and I've tried to figure it out numerous times.  We all know what the prophecy says, but DD says "Voldemort had been *vanquished* hours before, but his supporters -- and many of them are almost as terrible as he -- were still at large, angry, desperate and violent.....Did I believe that Voldemort was gone for ever? No."  I don't think DD's use of the word 'vanquished' can possibly be the same meaning as "the one with the power to *vanquish*.  My dictionary says vanquish means: 'to overcome in battle or conflict, to conquer;' conquer means 'to defeat in war.'  Old Voldy was not truly conquered at GH.  DD knew he was coming back, Hagrid didn't think he was gone forever, and neither did Mrs. Longbottom "My gran's always said You-Know-Who would come back one day."

However, that part of the prophecy, to me, only states that the person with the power *approaches.*  That part is done because both kids are now well along in years. ;)

>>>"Born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month 
dies..."
Done -  This *could* have been Harry OR Neville.<<<

DuffyPoo:

Yup, this could be either...done.

>>>"and the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal,"
Done - the scar<<<

DuffyPoo:
Nope. Marked by the curse rebounding off Lily's sacrifice, but not 'marked has his equal.'  You can't mark one as an equal if you haven't yet considered any others.  That, of course, only follows if you believe that LV didn't go to the Potters specifically because HP is a half-blood like him.  I don't believe that.  I believe LV was going to kill both kids, no matter what their blood status, and found the Potter kid first, thanks to Wormtail.

As an aside here, my dear husband said this morning, if he were in Voldy's shoes, and heard that first bit of the prophecy, he'd have killed every kid born between mid-July and mid-August 'just to make sure' he didn't miss 'the one.'  Charming man. ;)

>>>"but he will have power the Dark Lord knows not..."
???  This could be Lily's protection spell/charm or something we 
don't know about yet.
IMO the first half has been fulfilled.<<<

DuffyPoo: 

If we accept that these powers are what DD is talking about in OotP then I guess it is fulfilled but it wasn't anything that needed a specific action to fulfill it.  Oh yeah, that made sense, duh!  I mean, 'the one' will not have to do anything to gain these powers or nothing will have to be done to him, I guess.  The person who fulfills the first part of this prophecy already has these powers - born with them.  "It is the power held within that room that *you possess in such quantities* and which Voldemort has not at all.  That power took you to save Sirius tonight.  That power also saved you from posession by Voldemort, because he could not bear to reside in a body so full of the force he detests.  In the end, it mattered not that you could not close your mind.  It was your heart that saved you." [DD speaking]  I do not doubt, for one minute, that Neville possesses those same powers in at least the same quanties as Harry does.  

So, although you were going off at a slight tangent, Aggie, in my theory, Neville can still be the one the prophecy refers to.  But no, I guess I don't believe that 'all' of the first half of the prophecy has been fulfilled

I'm not ruling out Harry, I just think that as long as both kids are alive, the possibility exists that it can be either one, and as Neville has never been 'tested' we can't rule him out and just assume that HP is it.  



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