Should Harry have told on DJU? (was Re: Harry as last DADA teacher?)
quigonginger
quigonginger at yahoo.com
Tue Jun 8 15:42:50 UTC 2004
No: HPFGUIDX 100404
> Dzeytoun:
> > Uhm, speak for yourself. This is a problem SOME guys have, not
all
> > of us. I also am of somewhat more advanced years than Harry, and
I
> > think he was an idiot.
> >
> > If any teacher had ever tried something like that with me I would
> > have screamed all the way to the courtroom.
>
> Geoff:
> Sorry, I left out a word. It's an "English" (and even "British")
male
> thing. Your last sentence reveals that you are probably from the US.
Ginger, female, US resident, almost 38 (on 17 June):
Perhaps it is the age factor rather than the nationality? I was
surprised the first time I heard it suggested (on the list, not in
the book) that Harry should have told about the quill. I understood
him perfectly. One doesn't shout one's weakness to the world, one
takes it like a man, er, person. In a case like this, one doesn't
admit defeat no matter how bad the odds are. It isn't "manly".
But I think that has changed over the generations. I had the living
bejeebers beat out of me on a regular basis in jr. high. (2nd-4th
year for those who would like a HP reference) Tell the teacher? I'd
have sooner died! My mother saw the bruises once and told me that
when little boys had crushes on little girls, they punched them. I
was, in her eyes, popular. Yeah, right.
Which leads me to another HP moment-the OoP pensieve scene. James,
Sirius, and Remus (not counting Peter in this) were the popular
guys. They hated Snape "because he existed". This rang so clearly
to me. I was the only girl in our section in band. They didn't want
me there. I was dumb, fat, ugly, from the "wrong" side of town.
They hated me because I was in their space.
They had been taught that what they were was "good". Popular, good
looking, well off, good athletes. All these things were good, but
they implied that the opposite was "bad", therefore, whatever I got
was deserved, because I was none of the "good" things that they were,
and therefore, I was "bad". See the logic? See the connection? I'd
bet galleons that James and Sirius had the same attitude towards
Snape. Add to it that Snape was into the Dark Arts, and there you
have it! He had it coming, in their minds, anyway.
When OoP first came out, I almost posted my reaction to this scene,
but held off out of respect for the posters who were bothered by this
scene. Many shared stories from their pasts, and I felt bad for
them. My heart went out to quite a few. To them, I now say, please,
don't think that I take what happened to you lightly. I have been in
Snape's shoes, but a lot of time has passed since then, and I look at
it with a different perspective now.
The guys that used to beat me up have grown up to become model
citizens. The ringleader, who did most of the punching, is now known
as a really nice guy. They are good husbands and fathers, and would
never think of doing anything like this now. I was amazed that JKR
had nailed that persona so exactly. It was exactly as if she had
followed me through jr. high, and then followed them on to their
adulthoods. So very much like James and Remus grew up to be. And
how Sirius probably would have had he had the chance to grow.
I found the parallels so exact that I laughed through the whole
thing. It was the highlight of my OoP reading. (that and "it
unscrews the other way") I saw so clearly myself as Snape and the
others as the guys who used to beat me up. One was the ringleader,
showing off for the popular girls; one was the backup, the other kind
of stood back unless called by the others into the action, but did
nothing to stop it.
It wasn't funny back then. Had I read the scene with less time and
space between the incident and the reading, I probably would have
been upset. Now, with hindsight, I understand why they did it. Not
to condone, but to see where their heads were. (aside from the
obvious eclipsed area)
But, back to the original thread of the post, I walked away with the
pride of knowing I had stood my ground, never let them see me cry,
and had borne the battle by myself. Back in those days that meant
honour, pride, dignity, and courage. Nowadays, it means lawsuit.
Which is better? I guess that depends on your generation.
Anyone else care to compare generational views? On these or other
scenes?
Ginger, hoping that those who have suffered abuse realize that I was
laughing at how well JKR portrayed the charactors so realistically
and how they mirrored my life, and not at the abuse itself.
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