Harry at GH

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> 
> > Susan (teilani) reposnds in regard to Harry time-turning about 17 
> years to GH:
> Not that I don't secretly wish for this to happen, but I just don't 
> see how it's possible!  At least, not with specifically a time-
> turner.  How many times would you have to turn the thing just to 
> hopefully arrive at the same spot?  Plus, if it was that easy to do, 
> why didn't Harry just get a time-turner and flip it around a few 
> times so that he could at least prevent Sirius' death?  That would  
> have been much easier to do, had Harry done it immediately.  Plus, 
> H/H used it to save him once, why not again?  I think if time 
> travel's going to play a major role in the next two books, it will 
> probably be through a different magical device/spell, rather than a 
> time-turner, which seems to be for short trips rather than long ones.
>

One of the things that stuck out to me about the movie, is that instead of just having two 
instances of the second H/H to interfere with the timeline (saving Buckbeack, the 
patronus) there are several (Hermione throwing stones, howling, etc). 

Also consider that JKR has said and Kloves and Cuaron both said, (forgive me for not 
having the actual quotes here) that she approved the changes to the script, as well as 
vetoed others.

The most remarkable thing about those interferences is that they all FIT into what 
happened originally to the trio (before they used the timeturner). So essentially when H/H 
go back they are NOT actually CHANGING what happened but rather they are "retracing 
their steps" as movie!DD says, only we are being allowed to see what happened from a 
different point of view.

Now I remember seeing arguments about this in this list, about whether or not timeturners 
actually allow the timeline to be changed. I think that they don't. I think what a timeturner 
does is it allows the person to be in two places at the same time and therefore affect 
events from that double vantage point. Therefore Buckbeak was never killed, the trio only 
assumed that he was, and when H/H go back in time, we are allowed to discover what 
actually happened. [DD knows they are out there, we see that he stalls Fudge and McNair 
inside Hagrid's hut to give H/H time to get away with Buckbeak (now how he knows this at 
this point is anyone's guess! but he clearly does)]

This is why the time turner could not be used to save Sirius for example in OoTP, because 
we have already seen what happened. There is no ambiguity about it, as there was with 
Buckbeak's execution.

And Harry could not use a time-turner to go back and save his parents. BUT he COULD use 
it to go back and come to find out that he WAS at GH that night and that his being there 
made things happen as they did. (anyone's head hurting yet?)

Also remember that JKR has said (again, can't remember exactly where) that she would not 
bring dead characters back because she didn't want to sugar-coat death or give young 
readers who have lost someone in real life the impression that somehow dead people 
could be brought back.

Gorda