Question for Snape Bashers

[darrin_burnett]

No: HPFGUIDX 102506



> > Snape then prepares to leave, leaving Lupin to deal with 
humiliated, 
> > angry and distracted students. Yeah, that's effective team 
teaching.
> 
> Who said anything about 'team teaching?' Not me. I'm fairly sure 
> the idea is complete anathema to Snape, and I'd be surprised if the 
> concept would even occur to Lupin.

Oh, I agree, but I was pointing out that Snape had no regard for what 
Lupin had to deal with after Snape left. Lupin handled it very 
effectively, using Snape as an effective target for the students 
afterwards and getting them to vent their anger through an effective 
lesson.

And if Snape griped about being used that way, well, tough. He should 
have kept his yap shut in Lupin's class.  

> > So I suppose you could argue that Snape was wanting to reinforce 
> > the "Don't help him, Hermione," lesson, but guess what? This is 
> > Lupin's class and Lupin can run it how he wants. He can even have 
> > Hermione tutor Neville in class downtime if he wants.
> 
> No, I wouldn't argue that Snape was wanting to reinforce the 'Don't 
> help him, Hermione' lesson. My view is that, if anything, it was 
> 'Don't let Hermione help you, Neville.'
> 
> Entirely a different lesson.
 
> > Snape can save the reinforcement for his own class.
> 
> Yes, and in my opinion, he should have. Having let Neville leave 
> his class without punishment, Snape should not have done what he 
> did later. I'm not defending what he does in Lupin's class for a 
> moment.
> 
> You're question was 'why is this an effective teaching tool'? 
> 
> That's what I was answering. I *do not* think Snape should have 
> done this - that doesn't mean I think it's ineffective.

And I do think it is. Unless, as I said, this was pre-planned. Snape 
was not "teaching" here, in my opinion. He was venting. Let's not 
call it teaching just because someone took something good from it, 
which, given Snape's reactions during and after, does not appear to 
have been anything Snape planned.

 > Snape *is* out of bounds in my opinion. But that doesn't mean his 
>method might not work - it just means that there's other factors 
>involved (such as common courtesy) that means this really wasn't 
>the place for it.
>> Ask any teacher how he or she feels about a colleague interrupting 
>> his or her class to slam one of the students and I think you'll 
get an answer that doesn't justify Snape.
> 
> Your question didn't ask about justification.
> 
> It asked about effectiveness.

And you said you thought it might work, but issued many caveats 
saying you didn't think it worked in this case.

I'm saying it so rarely works, and should so rarely be applied, that 
it is essentially ineffective.

Sometimes Snape does get it wrong. That's OK to admit.

Darrin