SHIP Hermione & Ron /

[delwynmarch]

No: HPFGUIDX 102611


Gina wrote :
> Well what we are debating is not who LIKED whom but who will END UP 
> with whom! 

Del replies :
Hmm, those two kind of go together, don't you think :-) ?

Gina wrote :
> And I think OOTP is pretty obvious!!!!

Del replies :
Gina, Gina, Gina... Tt-tt ! Haven't you learned yet that *nothing* in
the WW is obvious ;-) ? *Especially* where SHIPs are concerned ! You
see, I too think that OoP makes things pretty obvious : pretty obvious
that Harry and Hermione are not going to end up together.

Gina wrote :
> Think about it - Hermione is always with Harry!

Del replies :
... Except when she's with Ron, as Prefects for example. That's a
pretty big clue for R/H, don't you think ?
And yes Hermione spends much of her time with Harry, but isn't it what
best friends do when their friends are in trouble ? Ron is always with
Harry too.

Gina wrote :
> 1)  Hermione tries to find out if Harry likes her by making the 
> "tell her how ugly you think I am" remark

Del replies :
The fact is canon, the interpretation is not, it's only yours. Not mine.

Gina wrote :
> 2)  Hermione leaves Ron's quiddich match without a thought to follow
> Harry into the woods with Hagrid

Del replies :
You've got things mixed-up here : Hermione follows *Hagrid* into the
woods with Harry, not the other way around. And it's Harry who took
the decision for them both anyway : Hermione didn't have a choice. I
won't go seeing anything romantic where there's no romance. And I
believe she and Ron would have followed Hagrid just as well if it had
been Harry who was playing. Hagrid needed to take them in the woods at
a time when they wouldn't be noticed as missing, and the Quidditch
match was the perfect occasion.

Gina wrote :
> 3)  Hermione offers to go into Umbridge's office with Harry and 
> Harry, "recognizes her loyalty"

Del replies :
Yes, Hermione is a very good friend, we know that.

Gina wrote :
> 4)    Harry always protects Hermione (centaurs, Grawp, etc)

Del replies :
Harry was always some kind of knight. In CoS, he risked his life to
save Ginny. In GoF, he risked his life to take Gabrielle back to the
surface of the lake.

Gina wrote :
> 5)    This time when Hermione gets scared she grabs Harry's 
> hand/arm.

Del replies :
I seem to remember that in PoA, when she and Harry get on Buckbeak,
Hermione holds tightly onto him. That's what she does when she's
scared. And since there's never anyone available but Harry...

Gina wrote :
> 6)    When the DEs come Harry grabs Hermione - not Luna not Ginny 
> HERMIONE and lets everyone else fend for themselves

Del replies :
You've quite re-written that part, I'm afraid.
Harry "seized a handful of Hermione's robes and dragged her forwards"
just after having shouted "RUN !" Why Hermione ? Quite simple : she
was the one closest to him. When Harry looked with his foot for
someone to warn of his plan, his foot encountered Hermione's, who came
even closer to listen to him. Thus, Harry knew perfectly where she
was, and could grab her to get her and the others to move when he told
them to.
Then Harry looked up, and saw that Ron, Ginny and Luna were *ahead* of
him : they were supposedly safer than he was, which is why he didn't
check on them until later.
And Neville ? Well he was behind him, and Harry "could hear footsteps
right behind him and Hermione's voice urging Neville on". Seems like
Hermione's attention was not that focused on her beloved Harry, was it ?
Then later, when they realised the others had not gotten where they
should, they started worrying and went looking for them while dealing
with the DEs at the same time.
Harry felt responsible for all of them, and he did his best to get
them all out of there safe.

Gina wrote :
> 7)    NEVILLE is constantly taking up for Ginny (Inquisitorial Squad
> and in the DoM)
> 8)    Ron is in the DoM with Ginny and LUNA!!!!
>
> Gina - who thinks what is obvious is that things are about to 
> change! JKR put THOSE characters in the DoM for a reason - even 
> Harry commented it should have been any other three.

Del replies :
Just because it makes up 3 girls and 3 boys doesn't necessarily mean
they will form couples. And even if they do, why not put Harry with
Luna or Ginny ? Both Hermione and Ginny take good care of Neville, and
Luna could relate to Harry in very special ways. As for Ron, he's
smitten with Hermione for now and wouldn't care for any other girl.

I'm not saying that H/Hr is impossible, I'm just saying that the
evidence is not that obvious. It's obvious only if you *want* to read
it that way.

And anyway, the strongest reason I don't want to see Harry with
Hermione is because Harry is not nice enough to Hermione.
1. In OoP, he shouts at her at least 3 times even though she's in the
right (once for not having written in more details to him over the
holidays, once because he thinks her DA idea is ludicrous, and once
because she refuses to admit right away that he's truly seen Sirius
being tortured). And she's too scared to fight back, which is not a
sign of a good healthy relationship.
2. Even when he doesn't shout, he's way too often scaring Hermione
into agreeing with him, even when he's wrong, like when he forces her
to say that Hagrid is a good teacher. I mean, what kind of friend
glowers at you to force you to say what they want !? How much respect
does Harry have for Hermione if he won't let her contradict him ?? And
how much does she *trust* him, if she can't get herself to speak her
mind ? She's clearly afraid of how he might react at those times, and
I don't think that fear can be a component of a loving relationship.
That wouldn't bode well for any romantic relationship they might
develop : Hermione having to agree to whatever Harry feels is
important... It's bordering on emotional abuse IMO.
3. More generally, he doesn't listen much to her counsel, he doesn't
care much about what interests her, and so on.
I love Hermione, and I just don't see what *she* would get out of a
relationship with Harry... other than troubles, that is !

Not that a relationship with Ron would be heaven, mind you. The way
they are always fighting... But at least, Hermione always feels *free*
to be *herself* with Ron, she nevers cowers into agreeing with him.
Their relationship might be much bumpier than her relationship with
Harry, but in my opinion it's MUCH healthier : neither controls the other.

Del, who thinks one of the reasons Ginny, Neville and Luna had to go
to the DoM could be the Veil : all three of them, along with Harry,
were entranced by it.