More on Snape

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No: HPFGUIDX 102632

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Ava" <lethafaraday at y...> wrote:
> vmonte <vmonte at y...> wrote:
>   <big snip>
> > And I believe that the way he treats Hermione has something to do 
> > with her heritage. Or does he hate her because she is a know-it-
all? 
> > No offense, good teachers love this kind of student because they 
> > encourage the rest of the students to also excell.


Ava:
 
>    Not necessarily.  (That is, good teachers don't always love this 
> kind of student, & this kind of student doesn't always encourage 
> others to learn.  If little Janie is always shouting out the 
correct 
> answer, her classmate Joe Shlunk may feel too intimidated to 
> contribute.  Or he may wonder why he should bother, when Janie is 
> always ready to share.  
>    Now, a truly thought-provoking answer to a question is usually 
> appreciated, & THAT may stimulate others to add their 2 cents, but 
> that's a different issue.


Alla:


I was like Hermione in school... to certain extent. I always knew the 
answer (Not in all classes, mind you :o), in some), but I was shy 
enough to raise my hand all the time.

I cannot remember of any teacher who tried to shut me up, when I 
indeed raised my hand.

 
Vmonte wrote earlier:
> > I just finished reading the passage in OOTP after Harry sees into 
> > Snape's memories. Snape ignores Harry during class. Harry finds 
> > that without all of Snape's harping, potions comes quite easily 
to 
> > him (something we should remember, methinks). Harry proudly turns 
in 
> > his potions, but the second his back is turned, his beaker 
> > mysteriously falls off Snape's desk onto the floor, utterly 
> > destroyed. Another zero for Harry, says Snape. 

 
> Ava:

 Yes, and isn't that the priceless moment when Snape 
> says "Whoops"? You can almost fill in JKR's invisible 
> footnote: "yes, folks, it's ok to laugh at that. Poor Harry 
> (snort)." 


Alla:

It is perfectly fine to laugh at that and I said earlier I did laugh 
at some Snape moments (His remark at Hermione's teeth, for example). 

This particular incident I just did not find funny. 


Vmonte:

> > No, I personally don't see this as encouraging to any student. 
Any 
> > student, period. Faced with the same situation, I probably would 
> > have finally given up at that point, and quit trying. I certainly 
> > could not see me trying harder, what's the point? 

 
> Ava: 

And you've never had a teacher or boss like that? Lucky you!


Alla:

Teacher like Snape? Not even close. Couple of my teachers in law 
school were close enough to McGonagall (strict but fair), but like 
Snape - No. Some of my firends did have them, though.


snip.

Vmonte earlier:

snip
, I would consider Snape's class another type of 
> > stress, one that Harry has not been able to yet overcome. We know 
> > now that Harry is quite good at potions when left alone, but he 
will 
> > need to get the highest marks possible in order to consider the 
> > career of Auror, and with Snape around I don't see it. (Or maybe 
> > he'll get lucky, and for some reason there will be a new potions 
> > teacher next year?
>

> Ava: 

And exactly HOW would this help him learn to deal with it? And 
> furthermore, I thought you just said you really love Snape as a 
> character. So now you want to get rid of him? Replace him with 
> somebody nice? This would be an improvement? I think not. 
> 
> 
Alla:

What do you mean how it would help him deal with that? Both Harry and 
Neville will be able to learn potions well without Snape watcheful 
eye.

I thought that by getting rid of Snape Vmonte only meant get rid of 
him in the classroom, which I wholeheartedly agree with.