SHIP Hermione & Ron /

[draco382]

No: HPFGUIDX 102837

> anasazi_pr wrote:
> > 
> > Welcome Draco382! I think you make some valid points about 
> Hermione's 
> > relationship with Harry. However, I think that although she 
> respects 
> > him very much, I don't think she's in deference (if deference 
> > means "Submission or yielding to the opinion, wishes, or 
judgment 
> of 
> > another. "). There are instances in canon where Hermione goes 
> against 
> > Harry's wishes, particularly in PoA where she did specifically 
> what 
> > Harry had asked her not to do and went straight to McGonagall to 
> tell 
> > her about the Firebolt. I believe wholeheartedly that she did 
this 
> > out of concern for Harry, but she did risk her friendship with 
him 
> > over this. A person who is deferent (another word for deferent 
is 
> > subservient) would not have dared to go against the other 
person's 
> > wishes.
 Now me:
Thank you for the welcome!! :-)
I was thinking about that Firebolt scene in POA, and I don't 
disagree with you that she was driven to report the Firebolt out of 
concern for Harry.  But, if I remember correctly, Hermione appeared 
to suffer GREATLY before telling him that it might be from Sirius -- 
her body language still gives me the impression that telling 
McGonagal (and knowingly upsetting Harry) was something she REALLY 
didn't want to do (understandably), even though it was for Harry's 
good.  In general, I think Hermione expresses her opinions (when 
they are contradictory to Harry) with a great deal of fear -- she 
doesn't seem to have this problem when it comes to Ron, Lavender, 
Trelawny, etc... even when expressing her opinion to those people 
might (and has) upset them. 

Arya: I wonder, might "admire" be the term you are looking for as
opposed to "deference"? 

me:
I do think she does admire Harry, but I still lean more heavily 
on "deference" -- early on, many listees pointed out that Hermione's 
desire to study hard and obsess about school springs from some very 
deep insecurity -- and i think this is very crucial.  I feel that 
Hermione is well aware that while she clings desperately to her 
books, Harry somehow manages to get by on pure confidence alone, and 
this quality is very desirable to her.  

anasazi:
This is very interesting. It makes me wonder if Hermione realizes
> that she possesses many of those desireable qualities. Like Harry,
> she's fiercely loyal, courageous, intelligent, powerful (although
as
> far as we know it has to do with her brains and not her natural
> ability), a risktaker, and with a good heart.



grace wrote:
Coincidentally, those desirable qualities which Hermione possesses
are also admired by Harry. We are told a couple of times how he is
proud of her in GoF and OoP.

now me:  I agree!  i only wish Harry would verbalize a little and 
maybe tell her how awesome she is!  I'm sure it would mean the world 
to her...

my two cents,
draco382