In the beginning

suehpfan stanleys at sbcglobal.net
Tue Mar 2 21:57:21 UTC 2004


No: HPFGUIDX 91925

"annemehr" wrote:
 
Harry having mentioned his dreams about flying motorcycles earlier 
in the chapter establishes that he does indeed have some memory of 
that time, so I am inclined to trust this vision.  
snip
Though I doubted it before, Phil (congusinglyso) could still be right 
that the SuddenlyVapor!Mort tried to possess Harry; except that 
rather than Hagrid taking Harry!Mort to be separated, Voldemort found 
himself repelled right away, by means of the new scar, leaving a bit 
of himself behind in Harry.
Could be, could be.  I won't bet the house, though!  ;-)
 
Naama wrote: 
Nor would I. In fact, I'd bet the house the other way. We know from 
OoP what a Voldemort possession feels to Harry - it was such pain 
that he felt he was dying. If vapor!Voldemort had attempted to posses 
him, it would have been the worst memory of his life, and it would 
have been that memory which would resurface when being near Dementors.
 
 Naama

Sue here:

I think the idea of Volde possessing Harry when he was a baby is very 
interesting.  I would add to annemehr's argument that since we do not 
know all of the qualities of the scar or of what happened after 
Voldemort used Harry's blood to reincarnate himself what effect 
possession may have had on Harry.  Harry has no memory of his scar 
even twinging until he got to Hogwarts and Voldemort knows he cannot 
touch Harry at the Dursley's.  He would have had to try in order to 
know that.  

My thinking then, is that early on Harry's scar did not bother him 
even when Voldemort was close, or if it did it was so minor it was 
not memorable.  If that is true, it is entirely possible that a 
possession of the infant Harry would not have caused him great pain.  
We also know that it was not until Voldemort regenerated himself with 
Harry's blood that he was able to touch Harry.  Like (IIRC) Phil 
(confusinglyso) said, he would have been repelled by the charm (or 
whatever) placed on Harry by Lilly and he would not have been able to 
possess Harry at all.

I think this all goes back to the "essence divided" mentioned in 
OotP.  I said in another post early on that I believe it is possible 
that what happened at Godrick's Hollow is that Voldemort's life force 
was transfered to Harry.  IOW, Harry actually "died" and was 
immediatly filled with the life force of Tom Riddle by a rebounded 
curse caused by some sort of charm used by Lilly.  That way Harry 
gains skills he would not have had and when Voldemort used Harry's 
blood to regenerate himself they were in "essence" sharing the same 
life force.  "Neither can live while the other survives."

Pure wild speculation on my part and much longer than I expected but 
I find it interesting!

Sue





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