Apparating into the Ministry...

[justcarol67]

No: HPFGUIDX 93082

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "kashelkar" <kashelkar at y...> wrote:
> > > Kashelkar's reply:
> > > 
> > > It's possible that the only place where apparation/disapparation 
> is
> > possible within MoM is the atrium, however, in the scene, when Harry
> > lifts the prophecy from the stand, the DEs start apparating all 
> around
> > him, how's this possible??? Doesn't this indicate that, it's 
> possible
> > to apparate inside the DoM, that too in the hall of prophecies??
> > 
> > 
> > I think they were simply hidden in the shadows, especially since 
> Harry
> > doesn't hear any popping sounds. He hears Lucius Malfoy's voice 
> right
> > behind him and his friends (OoP, Am. ed., 780), and then "black
> > shapes" simply appear, noiselessly,  "out of thin air" all around 
> him
> > (781). "Out of thin air" is, I think, his impression of the event
> > rather than fact, just as "he knew he was dead" *815) and "there was
> > no escape" (816) are his impressions. For the reasons already 
> given, I
> > don't think the DEs could apparate into the DoM, or the particular
> > chamber where Harry finds the prophecy. They must already have been
> > there, having taken the lift just as Harry and his friends did. 
> Maybe
> > they even unlocked all the doors but one, which even Malfoy couldn't
> > magically open. At any rate, it seems clear that they were already 
> in
> > the chamber, waiting in the darkness for Harry to remove the 
> prophecy
> > from the shelf and for Malfoy to speak before emerging from the
> > shadows, blocking the way in every direction with their wands held 
> out.
> > 
> > Carol
> 
> Kashelkar's reply:
> 
> If the DEs were hiding in the DoM for some time before HP and his 
> gang entered MoM, what kept Voldy from going to MoM alongwith his 
> DEs, and pick the prophecy himself, then disapparate, and leave the 
> DEs to finish off the HP and gang?? If the DEs could get that far in 
> the MoM without raising any alarm, then Voldy must also be able to do 
> the same.
> Also, is it not risky for the DEs to keep lurking in the DoM?? What 
> if HP didn't turn up after all??  What if MoM officials and Aurors 
> turned up instead??  Who'd take such high risk??  
> 
> Another curious question:  Why the DEs didn't even try to put the 
> Imperious Curse on HP and his gang members (after all they have their 
> backs at the DEs)??  If successful, that'll solve a hell lot of 
> problems for the DEs.  Also, isn't it foolish on part of Lucius to 
> explain the importance of the glass orb to HP??


They wouldn't have been sent until LV knew that Harry was on the way.
There would have been little time for lurking. Besides, security was
already lax and they somehow dispatched the guard who weighs the
wands. There was certainly no need for LV himself to come since Harry
would serve the purpose with less risk.

Carol