Unlocking the Hidden Pattern/7 tasks-7 books
sevenhundredandthirteen
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Sat Mar 20 03:39:44 UTC 2004
No: HPFGUIDX 93468
Sienna, I've replied to all of your posts in one.
Sienna wrote:
>Both CoS and OoTP highlight Harry's connection to Voldemort.
<snip>
>In both books, Harry's connection with Voldemort gives him
>insight into what is going on and warns him that people are in
danger.
>In CoS, this is because he hears the Basilisk in the pipes, while in
>OoTP, the warnings he receives are in his dreams.
Me (Lauraisa):
But, Harry's scar connection with Voldemort gives him insight in GoF
before OotP. He gets dreams from Voldemort's point of view, first
when he kills Frank Bryce, also when he is Divination class dreaming
about Voldemort and Wormtail. This is before OotP, so it doesn't fit
in your parallel.
Sienna wrote:
>11.Ron is seriously injured when Sirius drags him into the Whomping
>Willow and when Wormtail escapes
<snip>
>6.Look for Ron to be in some mortal danger. If he was so seriously
>injured in PoA, then he's going to come under a huge attack in Bk 6.
Me (Laurasia):
Call me crazy, but I don't consider a broken leg a serious injury...
It was mended in a second wasn't it? In fact, Ron getting all the
bones in his leg removed would be more serious, yet we know that'd
still only require one night in the School Infirmary. Wouldn't his
reaction to the Acromantuala in CoS be considered more serious?
Wouldn't the brain attack in the DoM be more serious? He was knocked
out cold in PS. In fact, so far the only book he wasn't injured in
was GoF. So, I don't see how a broken leg in Book 3 predicts maybe
death for Ron in Book 6.
Sienna wrote:
>6.Ron and Hermione have a falling-out over their pets; Ron and Harry
>have a falling-out with Hermione over Harry's broom
Me:
But they have fights in every book... The Triwizard Cup, the Yule
Brawl, the midnight duel, not telling Harry anything in letter, etc.
It's a characteristic of every book, not just PoA, that we see some
unease amongst the trio.
Sienna wrote:
>We get introduced to
>Charlie in PS/SS when they organise with him to come and take
>Norbert away. The next time we see Charlie, he is again taking care
>of Dragons.
Me:
But surely there are more characters more important than Charlie who
don't fit this parallel? What about Myrtle who is the key to finding
the opening of the CoS, and Colin Creevey who is petrified? Dobby? I
could make up a parallel of any two HP books I like. I've decided to
say that Book 2 and Book 4 parallel each other. Here is a list I came
up with just then:
Myrtle appears in Book 4, and the only time before than in Book 2.
Dennis Creevey appears in Book 4, but Colin Creevey appeared in Book
2.
We see acromantula in Book 2, then again in Book 4.
Harry goes to the Burrow in Book 2, then in Book 4.
The Quidditch Cup gets called off in Book 2 and Book 4 (for different
reasons).
The DADA teachers loses his mind in Book 2, and his soul in Book 4.
The three Tasks of Book 4 parallel the three attacks of the basilisk
on Hogwart's students Book 2.
-The first where only Cedric gets seriously injured on his face
parallel's Colin's camera held up to his face shielding him from the
basilisk.
- The second where Harry getting Fleur's sister because she couldn't
make it parallels Justin getting the basilisk's stare, because Nick
couldn't die from it.
-The third where Penelope and Hermione hold up a mirror and facing
the peril on the basilisk together parallel Cedric and Harry taking
the cup together and facing the peril of Voldemort together.
Harry uses a bathroom as a location to prepare a tactic for
discovering who the heir of Slytherin is in Book 2 , and again uses a
bathroom to discover a tactic for overcoming the Second Task in Book
4.
The four champions who try to get to the Cup (3 male, 1 female)
mirror the four people who get into the Chamber (3 male, 1 female).
One attacks another (Krum attacks Cedric, Lockhart attacks Harry),
the girl is put in peril by a magical attack (By Riddle, by Barty
Jnr) and hence taken out of the race. Only two of the four finally
make it to the very end. One is killed by Voldemort's orders, the
other is very nearly killed by Voldemort.
Phoenix song? The two times we hear it in battle- In CoS and GoF.
Harry is attacked and injured by a beast with poisonous fangs in both
CoS and GoF (acromantula).
The two times Fawkes heals Harry's wounds? CoS and GoF.
Snape puts Harry in detention in both CoS and GoF. Both times Ron
also gets detention at the same time for the same event (Flying car,
yelling at Snape).
Both years Harry doesn't have to sit any end of year tests, being
called off for the whole school in Book 2, and being excused because
he's a champion in Book 4.
Both books see Voldemort making an attempt to reclaim his old body.
First the old body he had as a 16 year old boy, and secondly the old
body he had as an evil overlord.
The only two times when we've seen scenes from Tom Riddle's youth? In
CoS and GoF. Both times an innocent person gets the blame for Tom's
actions (Hagrid, Frank Bryce).
The only two accounts of Tom Riddle killing anyone in his youth?
Myrtle in Book 2, and his family in Book 4. All of whom were muggles
or muggle-born.
In GoF Fawkes's tail feather in Harry and Voldermort's wands cause
then to battle alone. Because of these cores the wands then give
Harry the ghosts who help him. In CoS Fawkes wounds the basilisk
gives Harry the Sorting Hat and Sword to help him, enabling Harry and
Tom Riddle to fight alone.
Myrtle and Ginny both fancy Harry in CoS, paralleling the multitude
of girls who ask Harry to the Ball in GoF.
Harry has to take a medicinal potion to heal his wounds in both books-
Skel-Gro and Pepper up after the Second task.
Harry's arm is injured- first by the bludger and Lockhart in CoS,
then by the Dragon in GoF.
Dobby first appears in Book 2, then not again until Book 4.
Dobby's parallel character, Winky, first makes her appearance in GoF,
whilst, as above, he first appearance was in CoS.
Something big is released about Hargid's past- why he was expelled,
and about his family.
Hagrid is suspected of being untrustworthy0 first by Fudge, secondly
because he is revealed to be half Giant.
Polyjuice potion is used in both books.
*******
Half if these aren't very convincing, or else are inconsequential,
but I could keep going. As you can see, there is a way of linking any
of the HP books to each other.
To give some quick examples of how this can fit in with other books,
if any one wants a starting point to make a list of their own:
3/5
Time Turners are used in Book 3, then again we see then in Book 5.
We see Beaky in Book 3, then in Book 5.
Qryffindor with the Quidditch Cup in Book 3 and Book 5.
We see Lupin first in Book 3, and not again until Book 5.
Harry first notices Cho Chang in Book 3, and then goes out with her
in Book 5.
We first see Dementors in Book 3, and then not again until Book 5.
And Harry is nearly sucked both times.
The DADA teacher has a connection to half-breeds, either being one or
despising them.
2/3
We see the Whomping Willow in Book 2, then Book 3.
Harry spends a night in The Leaky Cauldron in Book 2, then Book 3.
The first time we hear about Azkaban is when Hagrid goes there in
Book 2. Then we see Sirius escape from it on Book 3.
4/5
Harry goes to see Dumbledore in his office in Book 4, and in Book 5.
Harry uses a penseive in both Book 4 and Book 5.
Harry has dreams from Voldemort's point of view in Book 4 and 5.
Both books have a newspaper campaign about Harry, both of which try
to discredit him.
I'm sure with 10 or so minutes we could all add dozens of facts to
these lists.
Sienna wrote:
>Finally, both PS/SS and GoF are characterised by a massive change in
>Harry's life
and
>12.Harry (and team) will be directly responsible for saving the
>school, setting us up for a HUGE book 7.
Me:
I don't meant o put any more of a dampener on your theory, but
*every* book has a major change in Harry's life. ;-) And I agree
totally with you, but I don't think anyone needs a mirrored book
theory to make a guess that Harry will end up saving the world.
Nadine wrote:
>Have you read, I believe it was Iris' theory (I couldn't find the
>post reference) about the 7 tasks at the end of PS/SS mirroring the
>7 books ? Very interresting indeed...
That theory was very interesting indeed.
A short summary for anyone not familiar:
3-headed dog parallels 3 headed Quirrel [poor stuttering Quirrel, mad
insane Death Eater Quirrel, and Quirelmort].
Devil's Snare with `snake like tendrils.' And `ensnaring people' like
the covert basilisk does in secret.
Keys = marauder's map which is the key to Lupin and Snape arriving in
the Shack.
Chessboard where you have to make a sacrifice to win = Cedric dies
but Dumbly has `gleam of triumph.'
This post was make before OotP. They said that Troll shows someone
else does the battle for Harry [Could be: Dumbly fighting Voldemort
in MoM] that losing Troll is losing another protection for the stone
[Could be: Harry and the MoM possession- Voldemort loses the abiltiy
to possess Harry. Harry gains a protection... well, sort of.]
Book 6 should mirror logic and also spliting of forces [when Hermione
has to turn around and leave Harry]. And Harry seeing himself in the
mirror predicts Book 7 should be Harry vs. Harry. Harry versus that
badness inside him. Which I think is a pretty good prediction.
I disagree with Book 3 keys significance, however. I think a better
symbolic link could be that the keys are really a sign on the Time
Travel incident. Think the Butterfly Effect. Where there are
thousands of possible futures possible at any given second, but only
one will take you where you want to go.
I also just made up a theory just then that how there's link between
the task's creators and the resolution to each of the 7 books.
Hargid = friendship- the *love* stops Voldy.
Sprout = Grows the Mandrakes that save the petrified.
Flitwick = Sirius is in Flitwick's office, which enables Harry to
save him.
McGonagall = McG is the person who witnesses destruction of Barty
Jnr.
Quirrel was possessed, Harry's possession ends up saving his life.
And it's not very far to stretch to assume that Snape should do
something great in the next book, and finally Dumbledore finishes it
all off in Book 7.
Anyway, I hope that I've given you all enough to think about.
~<(Laurasia)>~
Who laughed when Sienna apologised for the length of her posts, as
she herself always write far longer posts and never thought to
apologise for those who tediously read them.
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