Dark Mark visibility . . . (was: Snape and the Order)

[suehpfan]

No: HPFGUIDX 93903

snip of old posts 
> 
> Carol:
> There's an interesting moment in GoF that may be relevant here. When
> Crouch!Moody (whom Snape still thinks is the real Moody) says, "I 
say
> there are spots that don't come off, Snape. Spots that never come 
of,
> d'you know what I mean?" Snape "seize[s] his left arm convulsively
> with his right hand, as though something on it had hurt him." (GoF 
Am.
> ed. 472) Of course, this passage reads very differently on a second
> reading, when we know that Crouch!Moody is an imposter, but it
> indicates to me that Crouch knows that Snape is loyal to Dumbledore
> and therefore disloyal to Voldemort and that a loyal Death Eater can
> cause pain to a disloyal one just by mentioning the mark. I wonder
> what Snape thought of that incident, whether he reported it to
> Dumbledore, and what they thought it meant at that point. (Surely 
the
> real Moody speaking of the Dark Mark would not have caused Snape 
pain?
> Or would it? Were Snape's suspicions aroused, or did he just view
> "Moody" as a dangerous enemy even though they were technically on 
the
> same side? He certainly was angry that "Moody" had been in his 
office,
> dared to question his loyalty to Dumbledore, and tried to order him
> around, but all of that would fit with the real Moody, too.)
> 
Snip of Julie's post
> Carol:
>snip (A side note on Fudge: Does anyone besides me
> think Fudge, rather than Voldemort, sent Macnair as envoy to the
> giants at Malfoy's suggestion, not knowing that Macnair is a DE? I
> think Fudge is Malfoy's tool, not actually evil but ambitious,
> foolish, and, as Julie says, in denial. How convenient for Malfoy,
> trying to get back in LV's good graces after the Dark Mark incident,
> that Macnair happens to work for the MoM's magical creatures 
division.)
>   
Sue joins in on two points:

1. I always thought in this that Crouch!Moody understood the magic 
behind the Darkmark and how it works.  I figured Snape would assume 
that real!Moody would understand the magic, know his past and how to 
make it twinge.  I am sure no one else could summon the DEs anywhere, 
but they could probably make it sting.  Good way to check and see if 
someone is a DE, no?

2. Never thought about the possibility that Fudge sent Macnair to the 
giants, but I like it.  As they are working undercover, using Fudge 
to send a legitimate group to "spy" on the giants and any friend of 
DD who might be trying to reach them is a good ploy.  What will poor 
Malfoy do now that he has been "outed"?

Sue