Three questions for ESE!Lupin

[pippin_999]

No: HPFGUIDX 97618

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "olivierfouquet2000" 
<olivier.fouquet+harry at m... wrote:
 >Pippin has been particularly active these days, attacking Lupin 
in almost every posts she wrote, so I feel I must step to his 
defense.<

Oh dear, I hope I'm not being monotonous. But I guess you're not 
bored <g

Olivier:
>I have got three questions to the ESE!Lupin 
theory. But before anything else, I've got a preliminary question: 
since when is Lupin on Voldemort's side? I haven't been able to 
figure that out clearly from Pippin's posts.<

Pippin:
My guess would be after Lupin left Hogwarts, but at least a year 
before the Potters died, to account for Sirius's statement that 
Peter had been passing information for that long.

Olivier:
 >I) Why, if ESE!Lupin is true, didn't Lupin frame Sirius in PoA?
 If Lupin had been with LV all along, he certainly knew Peter was 
the culprit, and Sirius innocent (Sirius says DE in Azkaban knew 
Peter's role). Lupin could have tell Dumbledore Sirius was an 
Animagus and have him kissed, potentially a good thing for LV.<

Pippin:
Well, as Lupin says, Dumbledore's trust means everything to 
him. ESE!Lupin can't risk being sent away from Hogwarts before 
he's dealt with Peter and Sirius, so he can't afford to let 
Dumbledore in on his secrets. He  has the same problem we 
do--he doesn't know how much Dumbledore knows already. Any 
bit of additional data could be the one missing fact that ties it all 
together. 

I suspect Lupin did try to eliminate Sirius. The Dementors show 
up at the Quidditch match just after Harry spots Sirius in dog 
form in the top rank of seats. In OOP we learn that the Quidditch 
pitch is visible from the DADA office. So it's possible that Lupin 
sicced the Dementors on Sirius, though you would have to 
assume that he can communicate with them while transformed. 
If he can do that, he may also have summoned them again at the 
end of PoA to occupy Sirius while Peter made his escape. 

Olivier:
> As I understand it, the last version of ESE!Lupin holds that 
Lupin has a pathological need to be liked, regardless of his 
actions. That was supposedly his motive of him not telling 
 Dumbledor. In other words, Lupin is thinking "Oh please, DD 
like me, I'm good, oh you  don't like me enough, I turn to LV." Is 
that correct?<

Pippin:
Not exactly. It'd be more like, "If Dumbledore knew what a bad 
person I am, he wouldn't like me. Nobody who knew what a bad 
person I am could like me. Good people only like me because 
they don't know what I'm really like. I deserve to be hated 
because I am a Dark Creature. I can't control my evil impulses 
because I'm a Dark Creature. But Dark Creatures could like me 
for what I really am."

 I hasten to add that ESE!Lupin is wrong,wrong, wrong in this 
line of thought, and Harry will ultimately understand this even if 
Lupin never does.

There's room for an ESE!Lupin light, in which Lupin really hates 
what he's being asked to do by Voldemort, but hasn't got the guts 
to quit. Not only would he be killed  but the exposure of his 
misdeeds would discredit Dumbledore and set werewolf rights 
back even further than they are already. In that scenario, Lupin 
keeps saving Harry because Harry is his only hope. If Harry 
defeats Voldemort, then Lupin will be freed without having to turn 
against Voldemort himself.

Olivier:
 >II) If it is, then here is ma second question. What would make 
Lupin believe if he'll be more  liked in a Voldemort-ruled society 
than in a Dumbledore-ruled society? Who are the  people that 
accept him regardless of his disease: DD, Harry, Ron, 
Hermione, Sirius, James,  the Weasleys... In other words, the 
Order. Who are those who despise him: Dolores  Umbridge, 
Fudge, Draco, Kreacher, Sirius' mother. In other words those 
who prize purity  of blood above all. What makes him think the 
champion of racism will accept him and like  him? <

The purebloodists are ostensibly a pro-Ministry faction, not a 
pro-Voldemort one. Only Draco is openly a racist and a 
Voldemort supporter--and his father chides him for it in CoS. 
Fudge, Umbridge, and Sirius's mother are all *opponents* of 
Voldemort and supporters of the Ministry. Lucius Malfoy was too, 
in public. 

Dumbledore is also a supporter of the Ministry, which puts him 
on the same side as the purebloods: "The only one against 
whom I intend to work [...] is Lord Voldemort. If you are against 
him, then we remain, Cornelius, on the same side." -GoF 36. 

As for Voldemort, in his speech to the Death Eaters, Voldemort 
denounces Dumbledore as the champion of Muggles and 
Mudbloods. He says nothing against other types of half-breeds 
at all. In fact he claims that the Dementor and the Giants will be 
part of "an army of creatures whom  all fear." 

 Remember what Lupin says about the goblins: "If they're offered 
freedoms we've been denying them for centuries, they're going to 
be tempted." 

Evil in the Potterverse is not easy to identify. It very often 
masquerades as good and does, in pursuit of its own ends, 
things which benefit the good. 

 Voldemort works in secret, so any  action or pronouncement of 
his that becomes inconvenient can be attributed to the lies of his 
enemies and the misinformed.   Lupin, who has suffered all his 
life from the untruths even well-meaning people believe about 
werewolves, might be sympathetic to such claims. 

Olivier:
> Pippin has also suggested it has to do with the idea of orphan 
disease: Lupin would feel  that the WW is not devoting enough 
energy to cure his illness. JKR should be quite  concerned by 
that seeing her mother has died, victim of an orphan disease. 
Indeed, JKR  herself has campaigned vigorously in favor of a 
better recognition by Scotland of the  disease that killed her 
mother. She has also stated that she had written Lupin has a  
metaphor of someone handicaped. JKR certainly feels that her 
state does do enough for  orphan disease. Has JKR turned to a 
racist party? Is she likely to?<

Pippin:
You mean that JKR feels her state does *not* do enough for 
orphan diseases, correct? I don't think JKR is advocating 
violence and certainly not racism--the right path is represented 
by Dumbledore, not ESE!Lupin or Voldemort. But whether 
disease advocacy groups ought to get involved in wider political 
issues is a hot topic --the success of the American AIDS 
advocacy groups with frankly leftist politics has thrown into 
question the  politically neutral stance of more traditional groups. 
JKR might want to explore this issue through her characters.

 If Lupin's is to be a cautionary tale about  the risks of allying
with those whose ultimate goals may be  extraneous or even 
antithetical to one's own, then he needs to be an attractive 
character, but one whose choices lead ultimately to disaster.
 

Olivier:
> III) My third question is somewhat not related and I have asked 
it before, but still, I haven't  read a convincing answer yet. Why
did Lupin fought so hard to keep Harry from jumping  through the 
Veil after Sirius?< 

Pippin:
If Lupin knows the Prophecy, then he knows that only Voldemort 
can kill  the one the Prophecy speaks of. If Harry dies by some 
other agency than Voldemort, he's not the One and it will not help 
Voldemort if he dies. After killing to keep his cover, Lupin would 
have blown it for nothing. (Although ESE!Lupin may have 
revealed more of the Prophecy to Voldemort, that would not keep 
Voldemort from wanting to hear it for himself. Quite the reverse)

Pippin