The Order will be moving Headquarters

Mandy rredordead at aol.com
Thu May 6 12:25:35 UTC 2004


No: HPFGUIDX 97777

Sherrie wrote: 
> <snip> leaving the Order free to maintain it
>as their Super Secret HQ, <snip> should be a fairly easy thing to 
keep 
>up the deception for a year or so..."

> Jim Ferer wrote:
><snip> Grimmauld Place is completely "blown," and of no use
> whatsoever as a safe house.  Kreacher can't betray its location
> because of Fidelius, but consider:  here comes the house elf bound 
to
> Grimmauld Place ratting out Sirius, the same Sirius that later 
becomes
> the object of Voldemort's plot to lure Harry out of Hogwarts and the
> same Sirius that showed up at the MoM /with/ the rest of the 
Order.  


Mandy here:
Yes and no.  The location of Grimmauld place is blown, but the house 
itself is not.  In other words, the DE could go to Grimmauld Place 
and stand outside Number 12 and unless they have the Secret password, 
they will not be able to see the house, numbers 10 and 14 would 
appear next to each other.  So the Order could still technically use 
the house, but I agree with Jim in that they would be stupid to do 
so.  There is nothing to stop the DE's from staking out 
the `invisible' house, front and back, watching those who appear and 
disappear inside.  Then there is nothing to stop the DE's ambushing 
the Order members as they leave.  Grimmauld Place is no longer a Safe 
House.

Jim wrote:
><snip> Of course, it's an open question if the DE's know of the 
existence of the "Order
> of the Phoenix," but I have a hard time thinking that someone in the
> DE's wouldn't say "I think we'd better check out the house Kreacher
> comes from.  We'll destroy it and kill everyone inside just to be 
safe."


Mandy again:
LV knows of the Orders existence and though him his DE, or at least 
those DEs LV wants to know, know.  LV knew every active member of the 
Order during the first war, as Mad Eye tells us that the members were 
being picked off one by one.  It stands to reason that LV is aware of 
whom, out of the original Order are still alive, from Peter and/or 
Lucius and other informants.  LV may not know who the new members 
are, yet, but I doubt it will take him long to find out.  He will 
know through Bellatrix who was fighting for DD at the MoM battle, so 
Tonks, Shackelbolt, and Lupin along with DD and Harry are currently 
one the top of LV's Order Members That Must Die List.   I don't 
believe anyone can destroy a house that is under the Fedealius Charm 
unless they have the Secret from the secret keeper.  So, 
hypothetically, Harry could destroy Grimmauld Place but LV couldn't.

Jim wrote:
> The need for secrecy for the Order is mostly over now, anyway. 
Fudge's
> obstruction doesn't matter anymore and everyone now knows who the
> enemy really is.  The Order's headquarters can be Hogwarts now 
without
> much need for deception. They should be at Hogwarts now, for their
single most important mission now is the protection of Harry Potter.
> The identities of the members should be kept as quiet as possible to
> protect them and their families, although some will be inevitably
> outed and must go underground.


Mandy here:
Agree with this one.

Cheers Mandy






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