Victims WAS: Why we SHIP

scoutmom21113 navarro198 at hotmail.com
Sun May 16 03:56:11 UTC 2004


No: HPFGUIDX 98460

Congratulations, Kneasy. You are one of the few people who could 
turn a comment about SHIPping into a discussion of death and 
victims. <bg> In the spirit of the moment, I'll play along.

Kneasy says:
I've never seen this quote before and it warms the cockles of my 
evil, dark, FEATHERBOA-bedecked heart. Oh, happy day! Multiple 
deaths to come and the likelihood that there will be significant 
characters among the fatalities. Oh, splendid!

Time to make a list:
DD for certain- he's not described as increasingly old and tired for 
nothing. It's a foreshadowing.

SSSusan says:
Yup, I think this one's a given. I'll bet if we polled the group, 
we'd be at least 90% on this one.

Bookworm:
Won't we all be surprised if JKR keeps him alive...

Kneasy:
Harry probably 

antoshachekhonte:
I don't think Harry will necessarily snuff it. I think that's a less 
interesting ending to the series than watching him actually 
contemplate life-after-Voldy.

Bookworm:
In one of her more recent interviews, the way JKR answered a 
question made me think she wasn't really going to kill Harry. As
for a painful struggle, some sort of sacrifice – that's where
I'll place my bet.

antoshachekhonte :
I hope there isn't a mass Weasley-cide. But if there is, I'm voting 
for Percy -- in some sort of heroic, redemptive gesture. Bill and 
Charlie are possibilities--they're in the line of fire.

antoshachekhonte added:
I think the Arthur and Molly--one or both--are the most likely 
casualties. Thematically, mythically, the death of the parents opens 
the opportunity for the children to assume their proper place.

SSSusan replies:
I think you're right, antoshachekhonte. I don't like the thought of 
either Weasley parent dying, but I think it's likely, and your 
reasoning makes sense to me. In all honesty, as much as I [don't 
throw tomatoes, please] adore Molly and appreciate Arthur, I'd 
rather see one of them bite it than have one of the twins or Ron or 
Ginny die.

Kneasy:
Arthur; well, he's had his brush with death. Hardly fair for him to 
have survived the ministrations of St Mungo's only to cop it in the 
neck later on. Besides, I like him. I shall be displeased if he 
goes. Be warned.

Percy is a sneaky little snot, but reconciliation with his family is 
more likely than his demise. It'll add that touch of "Little House 
on the Prairie" to proceedings.

Bookworm:
I shudder in my shoes <g>. Do you believe in Ron's divination 
talent? If his prediction is right, then good ol' Dad will be 
Minister. Then again, he could become Minister and then get killed.  
My bet is that he will become Minister at the end and be the one to 
pick up the pieces after VW2. As for the rest, my first guess was 
Percy, but I'm not sure now (see comment for Pettigrew, below). 
Possibly Charlie, because he *is* an unknown – he would add to
the body count without the anguish for one of the other Weasleys 
(except Percy).

Kneasy:
Draco? Why not. Slimy little tosser. His dad's a survivor though.

SSSusan:
I'd rather see Lucius die than Draco. I'm convinced that Lucius is 
in this ALL for himself, was in fact working to take the WW over 
himself `til Voldy returned, and that if somehow Voldy is gone at 
the end but Lucius is still with us, well, the WW will be in bad 
shape. I vote for Lucius dying and Draco not. I agree that Peter 
will buy it. But I rather think that his repayment of his life-debt 
will be a keystone in Voldy's defeat.

Kneasy:
I've already read the runes; Draco will meet a most interesting end 
at the hands of Dominatrix Bella. A schoolboy fantasy par 
excellence! The trouble is Draco won't be up to it.

Bookworm:
My, what an image. However, I'm all for Lucius dying in a very 
embarrassing, undignified manner that brings shame to the Malfoy 
name, and Draco has to live with it. 

Kneasy:
Peter - in a futile attempt to repay his life debt; incompetent as 
ever.

Antoshachekhonte:
I agree that Peter will buy it. But I rather think that his 
repayment of his life-debt will be a keystone in Voldy's defeat.

SSSusan:
I'm inclined to agree with both of you that Peter will die but with 
Anto that it will be an important death somehow in Harry's ability 
to get to Voldy.

Bookworm:
If Peter sacrifices himself to help Harry defeat Voldemort, which I 
think is likely, it probably negates Percy doing the same thing. Two 
sacrificial deaths might be a bit much. 

Antoshachekhonte:
As for others? Well, Remus seems highly likely to go down in a 
fanged-and-furry blaze of glory in the next book or two.

SSSusan:
As for Lupin, I do NOT think he'll die. To have all four Marauders
die by the end? Would JKR do that to us??

Bookworm:
I really hope not. I like Lupin. <looking around uneasily for Pippin>

Antoshachekhonte:
How about Aunt Petunia? Again, in an act of some kind of redemption, 
she might save Harry at some point.

Bookworm: 
I wouldn't bet on Petunia sacrificing herself for Harry. Maybe if 
Ickle Diddykins was attacked. Now that Little Whining isn't as
safe as it was, expect another attack on the Dursleys.

Antoshachekhonte:
I will say, again, however, that I don't expect a bloodbath. Killing 
dozens of characters *lessens* the impact--readers become 
desensitized. Also turned off.

Bookworm:
JKR did say there would be more deaths. So more than one, but a 
bloodbath doesn't seem JKR's style. Given her reaction to
killing off Sirius, I think a handful of deaths (3-4?) would count 
as ominous to her. Sorry, Kneasy.

SSSusan:
What about Minerva? Nobody's brought her up yet. Will she be the new 
Headmistress?

Bookworm:
SSSusan, I'm surprised. You don't think Professor Snape will
be promoted? <eg>

Ravenclaw Bookworm <who hopes she attributed all the quotes to the 
right people after a lot of cutting and pasting>






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