Victims WAS: Why we SHIP
scoutmom21113
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Sun May 16 03:56:11 UTC 2004
No: HPFGUIDX 98460
Congratulations, Kneasy. You are one of the few people who could
turn a comment about SHIPping into a discussion of death and
victims. <bg> In the spirit of the moment, I'll play along.
Kneasy says:
I've never seen this quote before and it warms the cockles of my
evil, dark, FEATHERBOA-bedecked heart. Oh, happy day! Multiple
deaths to come and the likelihood that there will be significant
characters among the fatalities. Oh, splendid!
Time to make a list:
DD for certain- he's not described as increasingly old and tired for
nothing. It's a foreshadowing.
SSSusan says:
Yup, I think this one's a given. I'll bet if we polled the group,
we'd be at least 90% on this one.
Bookworm:
Won't we all be surprised if JKR keeps him alive...
Kneasy:
Harry probably
antoshachekhonte:
I don't think Harry will necessarily snuff it. I think that's a less
interesting ending to the series than watching him actually
contemplate life-after-Voldy.
Bookworm:
In one of her more recent interviews, the way JKR answered a
question made me think she wasn't really going to kill Harry. As
for a painful struggle, some sort of sacrifice that's where
I'll place my bet.
antoshachekhonte :
I hope there isn't a mass Weasley-cide. But if there is, I'm voting
for Percy -- in some sort of heroic, redemptive gesture. Bill and
Charlie are possibilities--they're in the line of fire.
antoshachekhonte added:
I think the Arthur and Molly--one or both--are the most likely
casualties. Thematically, mythically, the death of the parents opens
the opportunity for the children to assume their proper place.
SSSusan replies:
I think you're right, antoshachekhonte. I don't like the thought of
either Weasley parent dying, but I think it's likely, and your
reasoning makes sense to me. In all honesty, as much as I [don't
throw tomatoes, please] adore Molly and appreciate Arthur, I'd
rather see one of them bite it than have one of the twins or Ron or
Ginny die.
Kneasy:
Arthur; well, he's had his brush with death. Hardly fair for him to
have survived the ministrations of St Mungo's only to cop it in the
neck later on. Besides, I like him. I shall be displeased if he
goes. Be warned.
Percy is a sneaky little snot, but reconciliation with his family is
more likely than his demise. It'll add that touch of "Little House
on the Prairie" to proceedings.
Bookworm:
I shudder in my shoes <g>. Do you believe in Ron's divination
talent? If his prediction is right, then good ol' Dad will be
Minister. Then again, he could become Minister and then get killed.
My bet is that he will become Minister at the end and be the one to
pick up the pieces after VW2. As for the rest, my first guess was
Percy, but I'm not sure now (see comment for Pettigrew, below).
Possibly Charlie, because he *is* an unknown he would add to
the body count without the anguish for one of the other Weasleys
(except Percy).
Kneasy:
Draco? Why not. Slimy little tosser. His dad's a survivor though.
SSSusan:
I'd rather see Lucius die than Draco. I'm convinced that Lucius is
in this ALL for himself, was in fact working to take the WW over
himself `til Voldy returned, and that if somehow Voldy is gone at
the end but Lucius is still with us, well, the WW will be in bad
shape. I vote for Lucius dying and Draco not. I agree that Peter
will buy it. But I rather think that his repayment of his life-debt
will be a keystone in Voldy's defeat.
Kneasy:
I've already read the runes; Draco will meet a most interesting end
at the hands of Dominatrix Bella. A schoolboy fantasy par
excellence! The trouble is Draco won't be up to it.
Bookworm:
My, what an image. However, I'm all for Lucius dying in a very
embarrassing, undignified manner that brings shame to the Malfoy
name, and Draco has to live with it.
Kneasy:
Peter - in a futile attempt to repay his life debt; incompetent as
ever.
Antoshachekhonte:
I agree that Peter will buy it. But I rather think that his
repayment of his life-debt will be a keystone in Voldy's defeat.
SSSusan:
I'm inclined to agree with both of you that Peter will die but with
Anto that it will be an important death somehow in Harry's ability
to get to Voldy.
Bookworm:
If Peter sacrifices himself to help Harry defeat Voldemort, which I
think is likely, it probably negates Percy doing the same thing. Two
sacrificial deaths might be a bit much.
Antoshachekhonte:
As for others? Well, Remus seems highly likely to go down in a
fanged-and-furry blaze of glory in the next book or two.
SSSusan:
As for Lupin, I do NOT think he'll die. To have all four Marauders
die by the end? Would JKR do that to us??
Bookworm:
I really hope not. I like Lupin. <looking around uneasily for Pippin>
Antoshachekhonte:
How about Aunt Petunia? Again, in an act of some kind of redemption,
she might save Harry at some point.
Bookworm:
I wouldn't bet on Petunia sacrificing herself for Harry. Maybe if
Ickle Diddykins was attacked. Now that Little Whining isn't as
safe as it was, expect another attack on the Dursleys.
Antoshachekhonte:
I will say, again, however, that I don't expect a bloodbath. Killing
dozens of characters *lessens* the impact--readers become
desensitized. Also turned off.
Bookworm:
JKR did say there would be more deaths. So more than one, but a
bloodbath doesn't seem JKR's style. Given her reaction to
killing off Sirius, I think a handful of deaths (3-4?) would count
as ominous to her. Sorry, Kneasy.
SSSusan:
What about Minerva? Nobody's brought her up yet. Will she be the new
Headmistress?
Bookworm:
SSSusan, I'm surprised. You don't think Professor Snape will
be promoted? <eg>
Ravenclaw Bookworm <who hopes she attributed all the quotes to the
right people after a lot of cutting and pasting>
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