Dumbledore's role in Sirius' death was Re: ESE!Snape (Was loads of other stuff)

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Pippin wrote:
Hmmm...but Dumbledore's troops aren't regulars, are they? My
impression was that nothing was keeping Sirius at 12GP but
Dumbledore's advice and his own conviction that it was where
he belonged. There was nothing to keep him from returning to
his tropical refuge except that Harry might need him on short
notice.

Neri answers:
Perhaps Sirius wasn't a regular, but I'm sure he couldn't disobey DD 
on a regular basis and still help the Order, which was what he wanted 
to do. DD was clearly the commander here and it was his decision not 
to give Sirius any mission except house cleaning.

Pippin:
Huh? How do you track someone who's apparating? We have it
from the ministry forces at the QWC that it's impossible.

Neri:
You can still keep an eye on someone's house or favorite place, and
whatever are the limitations on tracking apparating wizards, they 
apply the same to Lupin, Moody and the rest of the Order members. 

Pippin:
Erm, somehow I don't think Nagini (if it was she) glided down a
London street, into a phone box, and dialed 62442 with her
tongue <g>.

As a matter of fact we don't know how she got in or out of the
MoM. Maybe Malfoy transfigured possessed!Nagini into a grass
snake, put her in his pocket, flooed to the Ministry, and when the
coast was clear, transfigured her back again. Any other ideas?

Neri:
Granted, we don't know much about all these things, which of them are 
possible and sensible. However, this is true not only for Nagini, but 
for Padfoot too. There are probably many ways he could have been used 
that we don't know about. 

Pippin:
At any rate, if the DE's can hide themselves from human spies,
surely they can hide from doggie ones, especially since they
know that one of Dumbledore's spies can be a dog.

Neri:
As you say, all this is true for the other Order members, but it 
still doesn't mean they just sit at home for a whole year.

Pippin:
And hanging
around the MoM would scarcely be a good idea for the most
wanted wizard on the planet.

Neri:
If it is night and you are well hidden or disguised, it might not be 
such a bad place either, especially if some of the aurors are your 
friends.   

Pippin:
None of them are wanted men. Arthur is protected by his
popularity (see CoS)

Neri:
Didn't protect him from possessed!Nagini, though.
 
Pippin:
and Moody by his reputation --Voldemort
could hardly expect to take him without a fight.

Neri:
Barty Jr. and Wormtail already took him down in GoF.

Pippin:
Most wizards are scared to death of werewolves even in human
form; you'll notice no one took on Lupin at the Ministry. But all
that the DE's needed to do to finish or capture Sirius was to call
the Dementors on him. All perfectly legal, just helping the
ministry like good wizarding citizens should.

Neri:
You've just been caught by your own argument. All Sirius has to do 
when the dementors close on him is apparate back to 12GP (or to the 
next item in his list of places to track this night).  

Pippin:
As for deteriorating morale, do you really think that's the reason
Sirius died? Suppose that GoF!Sirius, as calm and sane as
Sirius ever gets, had learned that Harry had been lured into a
trap and a rescue party was needed. Do you think he wouldn't
have done exactly what he did in OOP?

Neri:
Nope, I never said Sirius wouldn't have gone to the MoM if he was 
calm and sane. I was referring only for wasting his great potential 
for a whole year doing house cleaning and feeding a hippogryph. I'm 
personally sure Sirius would have gone to the MoM in any case, as 
indeed he should have done, although he might have been fighting more 
sensibly if he was in a better mental condition. The MoM battle and 
Sirius' death happened mostly due to several other mistakes of DD. 
Avoiding even one of these mistakes would have probably saved Sirius' 
life.   

Neri