Dumbledore's role in Sirius' death was Re: ESE!Snape (Was loads of other stuff)

[scarletsorceress666]

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Pippin wrote:
<snip>
> Sirius could not possibly endanger only himself. Any danger to
> him was a danger to Harry, a danger that Dumbledore could not
> protect against, <snip> 
> Dumbledore knew that if Sirius were captured Harry would go after 
> him and he would *not* be able to prevent it, any more than he had 
> been able to stop Harry from going after the Stone, or entering the 
> Chamber, or following Ron into the Shrieking Shack.
> 
> Sirius was more heroic than we realize. By keeping himself safe,
> much as he hated doing it, he protected Harry until Harry had
> strength enough to survive the confrontation with Voldemort at
> the MoM.

Neri:
> Hmmm, so do you say that if it were Lupin or Arthur, not Sirius, 
> tortured by LV in the DoM in that false vision, Harry wouldn't have 
> flown to London to rescue them?
> 
> I think he would. Perhaps not with so much fervor, but had he 
> thought he is the only one who can do something about it, he would. 
> As Hermione accurately diagnosed, Harry has a "people-saving thing", 
> not merely a "Sirius-saving thing". 
<snip> 
> During most of year 5, DD didn't know that Kreacher is going to 
> tell LV that the-one-person-whom-Harry-Potter-would-go-to-any-lengths-
> to-rescue-is-Sirius-Black, but still he tried to overprotect and over-
> control Sirius, and naturally failed. Same as he tried to 
> overprotect and over-control Harry and again, naturally, failed. 
<snip>

It is just a thought. But linking both your ideas together and in 
agreement that yes Harry would sacrifice himself to protect any of 
his friends. Even so I would have to say he would be less reasoned 
when it comes to Sirius. So we have Harry rushing off blindly to save 
Sirius, instead of thinking that he may be being manipulated into it. 
The one person Harry will respond to with out thinking is suddenly in 
need of him. Had Harry used as much brain as heart then he would have 
waited for more information, so could the lesson have been for Harry 
to use his head as well as his heart and that sometimes he may have 
to sacrifice one of his friends, echoes of P/Stone in this, in battle 
to win the war and that he Harry has to make that choice of who he 
must let die? 

Dumbledore could be seen as reaffirming that thought to Harry when he 
mentions to Harry that Sirius was too old and too wise to rise to 
Snape's bait fully. That Sirius knew what was at stake deep down and 
was more than prepared for his sacrifice. So was the lesson to think 
before you act a painful lesson but one Harry needs to learn and not 
to trust all you are told, a lesson he should have learned from his 
encounter with Tom Riddle in CoS?

I also think that Sirius realised that he was a liability to Harry 
and that perhaps he, Sirius, was getting in the way. Harry wondered 
several times what Sirius would think about something, yes he was 
helping Harry with information but Harry was also giving up some 
ground to Sirius and Sirius knew Harry was the one who had to do as 
Ron said in Book one, it's you Harry, you alone or words to that 
effect. Had Sirius stayed as you say he would have endangered Harry 
more?  But perhaps Sirius knew he could help Harry from the other 
side of the veil too and finally got to make his sacrifice and pay 
back his friends trust in him, by going beyond the veil, knowing he 
can't come back, but on that side being able to help Harry, somewhat 
as James and Lily did in GoF. 

Thus continuing the theme of sacrificing oneself for the love of 
others. 

Just a thought, sorry if it's a bit muddled it's very late for me but 
I was drawn to this post.


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