The Picture (dramatic sound) - longish.

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No: HPFGUIDX 99080

I was thinking about the bartender in the Hog's Head and
Aberforth 
when I re-read the part in OotP where Moody shows Harry the old OotP 
picture. I've been reading the posts on HPFGU for a long time
now, 
and I have not come across a post concerning the people in the 
picture. So, behold my speculation and thoughts on:

The Picture.

Notes: I will not mention people who were not in the Order in the 
70's, unless connected to the original Order. And, thanks of
course 
to the Lexicon, which has provided me with some information when I 
didn't feel like walking to the closet and getting the book and 
looking it up
(you get the point). 

Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore:
Headmaster of Hogwarts, former transfiguration teacher at Hogwarts, 
head of the order in both wars, he discovered the 12 uses of dragon-
blood, worked on alchemy/the philosopher's stone with Nicholas 
Flamel, defeated the dark wizard Grindlewald in 1945, and Chief 
Warlock of the Wizengamot and Chairman of the International 
Confederation of Wizards. Generally considered the best wizard of 
his time, not to mention a bit mad. 
STATUS: Still in & head of the order

Alastor "Mad-Eye" Moody:
Retired Auror, who is thought of as brilliant and crazy (do those 
come separately anyway?). He never wanted to use unforgivables or 
kill, only as a last resort. Very trusted by Dumbeldore. Personally 
I think he's a cool, loyal guy. 
STATUS: Still in the Order. 

James & Lilly Potter:
Parents of Harry Potter, defied Voldemort three times, but were 
personally killed by Voldemort the fourth time, while Baby Harry 
survived. Apparently very talented and bright people. Lilly seamed 
responsible (prefect) and smart, and good at charms (wand, SS/PS), 
whereas James was a marauder, smart and better at transfiguration 
(animagus and wand). 
STATUS: Killed by Voledmort

Peter Pettigrew:
One of the best friends of James Potter (well, ex, that is). He was 
not very talented or bright and looked up to people who were more 
powerful than he was, i.e. James, and Voldemort. Turned spy for 
Voldemort, and delivered the Potters. 
STATUS: Death-Eater

Remus Lupin: 
Werewolf, was given a chance at Hogwarts by Dumbledore. Bright and 
talented, but shunned by the general population of the WW. Was DADA-
teacher at Hogwarts for a year. One of the best friends of the late 
James Potter. Greatest flaw: he wants people to like him (according 
to JKR).
STATUS: Still in the Order

Sirius Black:
One of the best friends of the late James Potter. Bright and 
talented, he was the fake-secret-keeper. He came from a pure-blooded 
family who were very pro-Voldemort, he was very recalcitrant. Spent 
12 years in Azkaban but was the only person to escape and is 
innocent, even though not known by most of the WW. 
STATUS: Killed in battle in the second war. 

The Longbottoms:
Parents of Neville Longbottom, classmate of Harry. They come from an 
old pureblooded family and were both bright and talented. They were 
both great Aurors and were crucio'd to insanity by the Lestranges 
and Barty Crouch Jr. Both faced Voldemort three times and survived. 
STATUS: insane & incapable of pretty much anything useful (as harsh 
as it sounds).

Emeline Vance:
"Staely-looking". Part of the Advanced Guard who came to
Rescue 
Harry from the Dursley's. 
STATUS: Still in the order. 

Dedalus Diggle:
McGonnagal said she thought him "mad" in SS, when she heard
how it 
was most probably he who sent shooting stars in Kent when he heard 
about the Boy who lived and the "defeat" of Voldemort. He was 
standing next to Dumbledore in the picture and is probably someone 
you can trust. He was part of the Advance Guard that helps Harry 
escape from the Dursley's, and appears to have helped protect pre-
Hogwarts Harry. He was in the Leaky Cauldron when Hagrid brought 
Harry, in SS/PS. He once bowed to Harry in a shop. 
STATUS: Still in the order.

Elphias Dodge:
Old wizard. At the time of the original order, he wore a supid hat. 
Part of the Advance Guard that helped Harry escape from the 
Dursley's.
STATUS: still in the order. 

Sturgis Podmore:
Was Imperio'd when on guard, and sent to Azkaban. In the picture 
Moody says he looks "really young". Now the Lexicon says he
was at 
Hogwarts with Lucius, although about 5 years younger, but I don't 
know where they got the info (I've searched). See thoughts later
on 
in the post for more info on this. 
STATUS: Still in the order (as far as we know)

Edgar Bones:
Brother of Amelia Bones, part of the Wizengamot, relation of Susan 
Bones, in Harry's year. According to Hagrid a great wizard, along 
with his family. 
STATUS: Killed by Death-Eaters with his wife and kids. 

Caradoc Dearborn:
STATUS: vanished, body never found. 

Bennji Fenwick, 
STATUS: killed, only bits of him found.

Marlene McKinnon: 
Killed by Death Eaters with her whole family, two weeks after the 
team photo was taken. Hagrid thought her one of the best witches of 
the age.
STATUS: Killed by Death-Eaters

Dorcas Meadows: 
Personally killed by Voldemort, which shows how important she was to 
the fight against him.
STATUS: Killed by LV

Gideon and Fabian Prewett:
 Brothers who died fighting a group of 5 Death Eaters. Moody thought 
very highly of them, and Hagrid considered them to be among the best 
wizards of the age. Somehow related to Molly Weasley-Prewett. 
STATUS: Killed By DE

Thoughts:

1)	When was the picture taken? A lot of order-members were 
there, and it was before the demise of Voldemort. My thought would 
be the Christmas, or Halloween (some Holiday) before James and Lilly 
died. Voldemort had gone into hiding a couple of months or a year 
before he became Vapor!mort, so that is why maybe their spirits were 
not as low (they were waving, smiling and drinking), and the deaths 
after the picture was taken could be because Death-Eaters were still 
busy. So my guess would be Christmas/Halloween 1980 according to the 
generally accepted Timeline. Although the one problem with this date 
is that Harry would have been 3/6 months old. Where was he? I mean, 
a kid that young you don't leave with someone else usually, and
the 
most people you trust are in the order, so where would they leave 
him? And if they didn't leave him (as I thought they wouldn't
and 
couldn't because also of the dangers of the war and of such a
young 
baby, not to mention such an important one) why was he not in the 
picture? Moody would have mentioned him, and we would have seen him 
(people in the back came to the front etc). So would it have been 
the Christmas/Halloween before that maybe, in 1979?

2)	Why have we not seen more of Dedalus Diggle, as he must be a 
bit of an extrovert to be shooting stars in the air out of joy that 
caught the attention of muggles, which is almost against the law. 
Plus, in the picture he's next to Dumbledore, and he has been in
the 
order in both wars. We have met him several times, directly and 
indirectly, yet he has never had a conversation with Harry or has 
had a part in the books as for example Kingsley had. Strange. 

3)	Why was Dorcas Meadows so important that he was killed by 
Voldemort personally? 

4)	Sturgis Podmore is said to look young in the picture. Lilly, 
James, Sirius, Peter and Remus were all young, about 23 if my memory 
serves me right at the time the picture was taken. Now, if Sturgis 
looks younger than they do, and you have to be of age etc to be in 
the order that means that Sturgis would have been at Hogwarts at 
about the same time as MWPP, Snape and Lilly, maybe even in their 
year. May he'll be a future window of information for Harry?
Maybe 
even regarding Sirius? What is his place in the story anyway? He has 
to have some part, especially if Moody comments on how young he 
looked. Someone so young and willing to be in a fight against 
Voldemort must be cool and interesting (like Tonks). What does it 
mean that he is in Azkaban/ that he's been Imperio'd? Of
course, 
this all could be a coincidence
.as JKR has many unimportant 
coincidences. I don't see where the Lexicon gets the at school
with 
Lucius information. It could be that he was with Lucius, and just 
looks younger than the Potters for example, even though he isn't. 
Still, interesting nonetheless. 

5)	Caradoc Dearborn vanished and they never found his body. 
This can serve two purposes: one can be that it nicely shows what 
war is, and how ruthless Voldemort is, or, as I speculate, it is a 
seemingly unsuspicious comment for the reason given above, but is 
actually someone who made himself conveniently vanish and then 
joined the dark side. One problem with my theory is that he would 
have had to hide out for about 12-15 years when Voldemort was Vapor!
mort and in hiding. He could not have joined him, for then he would 
have helped him, as Peter did. He could not have shown up after 
Voldemort became Vapormort, as Moody would have mentioned it. He 
could however easily hide in the WW in another country, or in 
Britain in a muggle neighborhood, or with an aging potion he could 
slightly alter his appearance etc etc etc. Another possibility is 
that he turned spy, but that Dumbledore never told anyone about it. 
But, what did he do all the time that Voldemort was Vapormort? Did 
he maybe keep his new identity? Either way, except for the first 
possibility, an interesting figure/name to watch. 

6)	Why isn't Amelia Bones in the order? She seems a fair woman, 
talented, respected, from a good family, part of the Wizengamot, and 
high up also. Her brother was in it, why not she? Too dangerous? 

7)	Now, why Molly and Arthur weren't in the Order the first 
time `round has been discussed already, what I am wondering is
why 
McGonnagal was not in the order the first time `round. She is
close 
to Dumbledore, an able witch, who is willing to be in the order. So 
why isn't she? And as a matter of fact, why wasn't Hagrid?
Hagrid 
was after all trusted with getting baby!Harry from the pile or 
rubble on that faithful night.

8)	Same question, but with Prof Sprout and Prof Flitwick. Now 
Sprout I can kind of imagine, as she doesn't seem the person to
go 
and actively battle LV. In school, you can also see that the people 
that are most referred to are McGonnagal, Snape, the DADA teacher, 
Flitwick, Hagrid, and Dumbledore when something is wrong and such. 
So Flitwick, why? 

9)	If Arabella Figg is an old friend of Dumbledore's, then why 
was she not in the order in the 70's? Maybe she was but just not
in 
the picture, as she is a squib and maybe couldn't come to the 
location. On the other hand, Moody would have mentioned it, right? 

Thoughts? Just my two Knuts. 

*Lara*.