Harry Agonistes (was Re: Ever so evil ? was Dumbledore's role in Sirius' death

[meriaugust]

No: HPFGUIDX 99195

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Bannister" 
<gbannister10 at a...> wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "pippin_999" <foxmoth at q...> 
> wrote:
> 
> Pippin:
> > I think JKR has made a great leap forward in good-vs-evil 
novels. 
> > She has dared to make the good side morally complex. Unlike 
> > Tolkien or Star Wars, everyone in the Potterverse does not draw 
> > the line between good and evil in the same place. The 
> > characters may not draw the line where Dumbledore  would, but, 
> > JKR seems to be saying, as long as they draw it somewhere, 
> > and refuse to cross it,  Dumbledore is on their side.
> 
> Geoff:
> I think that there are plenty of morally complex characters in 
> Tolkien. There are some who begin on the good side and fall by the 
> wayside - you could probably include Boromir, Denethor and Saruman 
in 
> this lot. Gollum is a singularly complex character and Frodo 
himmself 
> almost succumbs at Mount Doom. And Sauron, in an echo of Tom 
> Riddle/Voldemort perhaps, was originally a Maia of Aule before he 
was 
> corrupted by Melkor/Morgoth. And, again, in the Narnia books, what 
> about Edmund in "The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe" and Eustace 
> Scrubb in "The Voyage of the Dawn Treader"? Not such well fleshed 
out 
> characters but both drawn towards the evil side.

Meri: 
Also, is Star Wars there's Darth Vader, who starts out good, slowly 
gets corrupted, spends a lifetime acting evil and redeems himself in 
the end. And Luke Skywalker, who gets tempted by the Dark Side, and 
Han Solo and Lando, two former criminals. 
Meri - astonished at how big of a nerd she really is...