What about the Door? - Castle Walls

[potioncat]

No: HPFGUIDX 99697

bboy_mn wrote:
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> 
> When you say, 'it sounds like it is outside', am I safe in assuming
> 'it' is the Whomping Willow? The Whomping Willow, to the best of my
> analysis, is on the grounds, inside the perimeter walls, between 
the
> castle structure and Hagrid's hut. 
> 
> Remember, that to get past the entrance gates to Hogwarts grounds, 
you
> have to walk past the Dementors. When they exit the Whomping Willow
> there is no indication that they pass the gates or the Dementors.
> There is no indication that Harry must pass the Dementor when he 
walks
> to and from Care of Magical Creatures class. Given all that I have 
to
> conclude that the Whomping Willow is within the perimeter walls of
> Hogwarts grounds but outside the protected courtyard of the castle.



Potioncat:
I think we've finally communicated!  Yes, that is my point.  The 
whomping willow is within that area protected by the walls-magic 
barriers-whatever and if you came in that tunnel, you would not have 
to pass the dementors. So Black could by-pass the dementors and get 
onto Hogwarts grounds.

 bboy_mn:
> As a side note: I don't think it's possible to get into the 
Shrieking
> Shake by any means other than the tunnel. The Shack itself is 
sealed
> to prevent people from entering by the doors and windows, and to
> prevent Lupin from getting out in wolf form. My logical extension 
says
> that it is also seal from entrance by Apparation or Floo Powder, to
> prevent curious people from entering while Lupin is transformed.


Potioncat:
You may be right.  I went back and re-read.  To be honest, I'm 
getting more confused. If, no one can get into or out of the 
Shrieking Shack except through the tunnel, then DD knowing that 
Black knew about it is not an issue.

And, after re-re-re-reading the chapter in PoA where Lupin and Black 
tell the trio about it, it sounds as if they did indeed come 
onto "school grounds"  All this time I thought they walked out a 
door at the shack (not the door in the subject head).

Now, going back....it seems to be contradicted.  Lupin says 
something along the line of "If  Snape had made it into the shack, 
he would have faced a full grown werewolf. So it sounds to me, 
Severus would have found the werewolf in the shack, not in the 
tunnel.  He caught a glimpse of the werewolf at the end of the 
tunnel.   I'm not sure which end of the tunnel that was. And where 
the werewolf was at at that time.  The room,looking into the hole? 
or near the whomping willow? I am picturing Snape at or near the end 
of the tunnel and seeing the werewolf at the shack end.  Or he could 
be looking back and seeing the werewolf at the willow end of the 
tunnel as he and James were leaving.

I don't get the impression that the werewolf normally had the run of 
the tunnel.  Nor do I think the willow would have kept it inside.  
So I think something was supposed to keep Lupin in the shack.  
Somehow, he either got out or was at least visible to Snape.

Would it have been possible for the human kids to get into 
the "room" at the end of the tunnel, transform and then go into the 
shack? There is a door at that point.  Perhaps the werewolf is never 
even supposed to be in that entrace room.

We've added the possibility that Peter was also involved.  Was 
he? and if so, did Sirius know? Did he un-do some magic or some 
simple lock to allow the werewolf out?  For that matter, did the 
werewolf get out?  Of course, whatever we come up with will be 
speculation.

I will go back to one point.  While Snape, Lupin, Black all still 
think Snape was in danger, I'm wondering if he really was.  And 
while I imagine there were some simple consequences to the prank, 
I'm assuming if DD had thought there was danger, the consequences 
would have been greater.  Of course, I'm beginning to wonder if DD 
really knows what's going on!
Potioncat