Dumbledore

doddiemoemoe doddiemoemoe at yahoo.com
Thu Nov 4 18:49:28 UTC 2004


No: HPFGUIDX 117235


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "ginnysthe1" <ginnysthe1 at y...> 
wrote:
> 
> Juli wrote:
> 
> > <snip> I believe DD knows a LOT more than we believe, he seems 
to 
> know everything that happens in Hogwarts, even before things 
> happen.<snip>
> 
> Christopher wrote in response:
> 
> >Well, there's always everybody's favourite, the Time-Turner! I 
don't 
> see why everyone dislikes them. Time travel isn't that difficult 
to 
> understand, especially if you imagine time as a pseudo-spatial two-
> dimensional graph, and then graph absolute time on one axis and 
> timeline branches on the other ... but I digress. Back to the 
point: 
> Dumbledore's apparent omniscience. He's already demonstrated a 
> willingness to use time travel both to aide a student in her 
> education (I highly, *highly* doubt that devices like Time Turners 
> are free for professors to hand out even to students like 
Hermione, 
> at least not without some paperwork) and to save lives. Who's to 
say 
> that he doesn't use one to monitor his school?<
> 
> Kim chimes in here:
> 
> Speaking only for myself, not everyone dislikes time-turners!  I 
> think in the hands of one such as Dumbledore, they could be very 
> powerful, useful tools, though way more unpredictable than at 
first 
> thought.  After all, it takes a really bright (and it goes without 
> saying, responsible) wizard or witch to use them properly without 
> risking messing everything up, which shows us the high regard DD 
and 
> McGonagall have for Hermione.  It just stands to reason that DD 
uses 
> a time turner himself on occasion.
> 
> Christopher continued:
> 
> >And then there's an idea that you [Juli] came so close to 
hitting, 
> but you missed. It gave me the idea, though. We've seen in OotP 
(and 
> probably elsewhere, but since I've finished reading OotP most 
> recently, it's the book freshest in my mind) that photograph 
> inhabitants are free to roam to other photographs -- they're not 
even 
> restricted to their own.  And, since photograph inhabitants are 
> apparently limited in what they *can* do, I don't see it as too 
much 
> of a stretch that many of them would lend themselves to 
gossipping. 
> Hence, I see it as entirely possible that one of the myriad and 
> sundry photograph inhabitants would be able to keep Dumbledore -- 
or 
> anyone else for that matter -- fully apprised of any usual or 
unusual 
> goings-on.< 
> 
> Kim again:
> 
> The only problem I can see with picture-traveling is the 
limitation 
> that comes from some rooms having pictures and some not.  I don't 
> think all the castle walls are covered with pictures and photos. 
And 
> then there's the problem pictures present with seeing things that 
go 
> on outside the castle.  And with frog-card pictures, which could 
go 
> outside, what would you do if you were in someone's pocket all the 
> time?  But in that case I suppose you could still at least hear 
what 
> was being said.
> 
> Christopher continued:
>   
> >And then there's also the possibility that Dumbledore himself has 
> some intrinsic ability of which we're not aware. Perhaps he has 
some 
> sort of ability to perceive the future? This would possibly 
explain a 
> lot of his actions regarding Trelawney. It would possibly impart 
to 
> him knowledge of how difficult true prophecy is and thus he would 
> have more respect for the otherwise mostly fraudulent Trelawney.<
> 
> Kim's last remark:
> 
> I recall others on the list coming up with the idea of Dumbledore 
> possibly having the intrinsic ability to become a bumblebee (i.e. 
his 
> animagus), especially since that's what "Dumbledore" means.  As a 
> bee, he could literally be a "fly on the wall" and see what others 
> are up to without them knowing it.   Of course, on closer 
> examination, there are still some problems with that too:  
Wouldn't 
> people notice the buzzing of a bee?  Wouldn't a bee (being a warm-
> weather creature) freeze if he went outside to keep watch on folks 
> during the winter months?  How would a bee keep from getting 
smashed 
> or eaten by Crookshanks? Or maybe DD isn't a bee, but some other 
bug 
> (such as Rita "Skeeter" was a beetle, not a mosquito).  And how 
has 
> he kept his animagus ability secret for all these years if he 
indeed 
> has the ability?   Being a bee or other bug may be only one of 
> several omniscient capabilities DD possesses.  In any case, IMO 
> Dumbledore has an animagus (just as the current transfig. teacher 
> McGonagall's is a cat), but JKR just hasn't mentioned his animagus 
> yet.  I'd love to see more discussion of this.
> 
> Cheers,
> Kim

One thing regarding animagi that floats around in the back of my 
mind is the few times Harry noted he heard a hum of a wasp in the 
background.

I believe one time was in Trelawney's classroom in GOF before 
he "fell out", felt ill(head/scar ache) and left the classroom. 
Another time was during the History of Magic OWL exam when before he 
had the vision of Sirius in the MOM.

I think there may have been other instances. I just found it odd 
that anyone would notice the sound of a wasp buzzing around also odd 
that JKR would mention it.

If the wasp is an animagi, who is it buzzing around? DD? LV? some DE?

Doddiemoe

--who knows wasps and bees are not the same but they both make that 
buzzing sound when they fly.







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