Re: JKR’s giant mistake?

[pippin_999]

No: HPFGUIDX 117716


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "nkafkafi" 
<nkafkafi at y...> wrote:
> 
> > Pippin :
> > I think it's a reader superstition that bad guys can't say 
> > "Voldemort", very carefully planted by JKR herself.
> > 
> 
> Neri:
> If JKR carefully planted a false notion in us, then I believe the 
 technical term for it is "red herring" and not "reader 
superstition".< 

Pippin:
"Red herring" refers to the misleading clue itself. A mistaken 
belief based on false evidence or faulty reasoning is generally 
referred to as a superstition. 

Neri:
> Of course, almost any clue in the books might be a red herring, 
> including suspicions pointing to Lupin ;-).

Agreed!
> 
> There isn't in fact any canon that the bad guys CAN'T say the 
name,  only that they, like many of the good guys, rather won't.

Pippin:
Exactly.

> > Pippin :
> > It isn't the only inaccurate 
> > recollection in the chapter,  since  we're told Harry "honestly" 
> said 
> > he didn't think of Voldemort before he thought of the 
dementors.  
> > To me, as a  puzzle hound, that's a clue, though I suppose 
they  could both be oversights.<<
> 
> Neri:
> I don't think they are both oversights. I think they are both 
> examples of reasonable writing style. Harry doesn't say 
"honestly"  that he didn't think of Voldemort BEFORE he thought 
of the dementors.> He says honestly that he didn't think about 
Voldemort BUT about the dementors, and the fact that he did 
consider Voldemort for a very  short time isn't relevant,<

Pippin:
It *is* relevant if Lupin is a legilimens, and there is other 
evidence of that.

If you are arguing now that use of the name Voldemort is an 
indication of how brave a character is feeling at the moment, 
I think that is very plausible. But in that case, none of the uses of 
the name need to be mistakes.

Crouch was certainly brave to preside over the trials, knowing 
that the DE's might eventually retaliate, and indeed they did.
Wormtail might have forgotten his fear for a moment in his 
desperation to accuse Black. Quirrell uses the name with 
confidence when he is thinking of himself as Voldemort's 
inseparable ally, but reverts to "my master" when he is relating 
how hard he finds it to serve. Crouch Jr is brave also, taking 
great risks on behalf of his master.

In that case, the use or non-use of the name indicates nothing 
about the loyalties of the speaker.

Pippin