The Second Prophecy plus a correction

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No: HPFGUIDX 118189


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "chrusotoxos" <heos at v...> wrote:
> 
> So, back to Sirius. I ready your posts, Kneasy, and I'm not 
> convinced. But let me clarify something first: I don't like him all that lot! 
> Snape is defintely my favourite character, as it's yours, I guess.
>

Kneasy:
If by  favourite you mean most entertaining, then yes, Snape is my
favourite character. I go along with W.C.Fields "Anyone who hates
children and animals can't be all bad." 

> 
>  Totally right again, even if I hate taking sides with a mother hen 
> such as Molly Weasley...:)

Kneasy:
Molly is the archetype of the old-fashioned English mum. They can be 
as irritating as hell, but my word! they fight like tigers if something
threatens the equanimity of the the family circle - and she sees Harry
as an honorary Weasley and Sirius as a threat. She'd never trust him.
 
> 
> But all this doesn't mean that he's a DE or worse!
> As for your other objections, here is my answer:
> 
> About Sirius' flight from Azkaban, yeah, that's strange. But there 
> could be something JKR is not telling us. I mean, maybe normally they 
> had protection against animagi, but that day something went wrong 
> without Sirius knowing. There is no prison from which you can't 
> escape.

> About the dementors: they were not going for Harry in PoA! They 
> need to feed, they were going for a large crowd of students (and 
> Harry fell down because of his personal weakness to them - totally 
> justified) and then for Sirius. They ignored Snape and Hermione and 
> went to Harry because he was trying to protect Sirius. Fudge was 
> trying to save him, not to kill him! I mean, same thing: Fudge is 
> playing his own political game, doesn't mean he wants Harry dead! He 
> could support Lucius because he doesn't realize how dangerous he is. 
> Sometimes you and a horrible guy think alike about a subject (ie, 
> Dumdledore is too old and arrogant), and Fudge didn't realize how 
> dangerous it was to make an alliance on this base.


Kneasy:
Ah,  but  he was in dog form at the Lake and was so badly affected by
the  Dementors (who weren't particularly close) that he was forced to
transform back to  human form. Why didn't that happen while sliding
past them 'escaping' from Azkaban? 

And sorry, but they  were concentrating on Harry: a whole crowd of 
them on the pitch staring up at him and after the SS they seemed to 
ignore Sirius entirely and were intent on getting Harry.

As usual, I  smell conspiracy (it's a habit I  have). Sirius' 'escape' was
an  excuse to let loose the Dementors. Now it could be that Sirius
was not a knowing participant in the plan, but it's much more fun
if he's added to the list of suspects.

> 
> Maybe Sirius had to die so that Harry wouldn't fear death anymore 
> (how worse  it is to outlive a loved one? And Voldie can't know this, 
> since he doesn't  love anyone), as someone said, but I also think that 
> Sirius couldn't survive. He's one of these characters who have been 
> away in the dark too long, and cannot fit in the world again. 
>  
> Would like to hear your feedback, but please, if you want to hate Sirius, 
> do so for something he actually is, not because he looks like someone 
> who offended you...or am I mistaken?
> 

Kneasy:
Yep. You're mistaken. I don't take HP that seriously. Don't take many 
aspects of life all that seriously either, an attitude which some deplore. 
Tough.
All the theories I come up with are for entertainment value (mine mostly) 
or to provoke other posters (some of whom do seem to take some aspects
of HP more seriously than I do). 

It's true that JKR has talked of the randomness of death, but it's a bit of
a stretch from that to using it to teach a teenager not to fear it IMO.
Unless she's getting him ready for the final showdown where he straps
on his wand with an emotive speech "It's a far, far better thing I do now..."
and bites the dust in Hogsmeade High Street.

Meantime I'll keep taking potshots at Sirius and one or two others - at least
until Jo proves me wrong. After all, she provided the canon on which I base
my arguments. The least I can do is use it.