Two Wormtails was Re: Plot in OotP (wand confusion)

[pippin_999]

No: HPFGUIDX 118492


The Other Cheryl:
> >        Ah, but there's the rub. Just who *did* know the spy went 
> under the  name of Wormtail? I don't recall any canon that 
states that anyone  did. There is canon that the DEs hid their 
identities, even from each other. All  that was  known at the time 
was that the informant was 'someone close to the 
> Potters'. 

 Dumbledore suspected one of their coterie, but had no idea 
who. If he had a  name, even a nickname, he'd have found out. 
The man's a  Legillimens, people. All  he'd have had to do was 
mention the name and wait for the answer  in their  minds.
>  
> <snip>
> 
> Renee:
> If you look at message #118357, you'll see that's preciesely the 
> point I'm making there.  My comment was a reaction to Pippin's 
theory that Voldemort "used  the code name Wormtail for his spy 
Lupin in Voldemort War One, in order to taunt James and 
mislead Dumbledore." (Pippin's message 118343) and that 
"Voldemort assumed that the name "Wormtail" would  get back 
to James, but Dumbledore kept it to himself." (Pippin's 
> message 118351.)
> In fact, I'm in complete agreement with you; I was just arguing 
that  *if* Dumbledore would have known the name of the spy 
was Wormtail,  he wouldn't have sat back and done nothing.<


Pippin:
Actually, this reinforces my argument. Dumbledore suspected 
that someone close to the Potters was a spy, and just as you 
say, he wouldn't have sat back and done nothing.  

He would question all their friends whether he knew the code 
name or not. He would ask everyone in the Order if they had any 
idea how information could be reaching Voldemort, if they'd 
noticed anything suspicious,  if they had any idea who might be a 
spy, if there was anything they wanted to tell him, anything at all. 

The spy did not give himself away. Therefore the spy not only did 
not answer honestly, he was capable of concealing his  
thoughts. 

Ergo, the spy is an occlumens, as skilled as Snape or better.


Peter Pettigrew is a most unlikely occlumens. He does not 
exhibit control over his emotions, he was and is easy prey for the 
Dark Lord, and he is the most incompetent liar in canon, not 
excluding Ron. If  Dumbledore followed this same line of 
reasoning, he would conclude that spy, whoever he might 
be,could not be Peter Pettigrew. 

If Dumbledore confided all this to James, James would reach 
the same conclusion. And so do I.

Pippin