bullies? twins, padfoot and prongs

[M.Clifford]

No: HPFGUIDX 118585


> > Valky:
> > The phrase "as though he had been expecting an attack" in no way 
> > leads to an assumption that james was still armed. 

Valky Now: First a typo correction. The above should read '...in no 
way leads to an assumption that James was *already* armed....' 
Not "still", sorry my Oops.
Now to the conversation. 

> 
> Potioncatwrote:
> Just to clarify, James calls out "All right, Snivelus?" Do you 
think Severus was wrong to go for his wand? 

Valky:
I think the sentence suggests that from the Narrators POV Severus' 
reaching for his wand was a surprise, an action that meant that 
Snape read more from the approach of James than Harry did. 
If James' wand had been drawn and pointed surely Harry's POV would 
be questioning *that* behaviour, rather than Snapes.
The sentence questions Snapes behaviour... ie "Why did Severus reach 
for his wand?" and *not* James, which would be "Why did James draw 
his wand?"



Potioncat:
> Looking at the description of 
> Sirius and Peter, James was up to something, we can see it, and 
> Severus must have had reason to expect it.

Valky Now:
I see that my point has been misunderstood because this is how I see 
it, also. So my point, again, is that this fact does not support or 
lead to an assumption that James wand was drawn before Severus 
reached for his. 



> Valky:
>  No personal intent Carol but I just don't understand why others 
> feel the necessity to construe the story to say that James 
attacked an unarmed opponent without warning, it's overkill. The 
words simply don't support it, and it doesn't change the fact that 
he behaved like an Ar*e following it.
> 
> Potioncat:
> Well, James did Expelliarmus, then Sirius did another curse.  What 
> do you call it?  I would be willing to consider Expelliarmus 
> defense, except that it doesn't stop there and at that point all 
> Severus had done was to pull his wand to defend himself. 
> > 
> 

Valky:
Indeed, I have been misunderstood. I expected this because it is 
really hard to specify that I am speaking strictly about the first 
part of the incident. Starting at James saying "All right Snivellus 
and ending with the words expecting an attack.

This miniscule passage has been continually construed to prove that 
James wand was drawn before Severus reached for his., but it doesn't 
support this belief, at all. 
The first line clearly shows Harry was looking at James and only 
observed him speaking, the second line questions Severus' action of 
reaching for his wand, that adds up to James was not armed. 

In the passages following this James and Sirius are obviously 
bullying Snape, yes bullying. Disgusting , snot-faced, self-
righteous and reprehensible behaviour. Angry readers want to believe 
further to this that James was too weak to disarm his opponent in a 
fair wand draw, but he wasn't. It's just overkill on the James is a 
rotten tomato march, it's a step too far, and I simply pointed out 
that it's not even a necessary one. James and Sirius behaved badly 
enough in what they did do. Label away angry Snape lovers, but stick 
to the truth, is all I am saying. 







> > Valky:
> > Overkill! Carol. James just simply isn't this bad, you just want 
> him to be, right?
> > Sirius statement about James *Hating* the Dark Arts is adamant 
and sincere, How can you doubt that? Of all the things that Sirius 
has said?
> 
> Potioncat:
> Even if Sirius is correct and the reason for James' dislike of 
> Severus is due to Dark Arts, it doesn't excuse this incident. 

Valky:
It's not *fair* that you reply like this potioncat. It wasn't 
excusing anything and that is obvious from my words.



Potioncat:
> I am of the opinion that there is more to learn about this and 
I've seen Sirius be wrong before.  
> 
> I've not certain that knowing Dark Arts is any worse than hexing 
> people just because you can.  

Valky:
I have had this discussion before potioncat. Have you checked your 
HP time;line, lately? 
Why? In the time of the reign of Voldemort, when a mad "DARK ARTS" 
wizard is killing anyone and any innocent thing he comes across, 
this is the time we are referring to. 
How can you possibly question whether the Dark Arts are worse than 
childish pranks.
He is killing people, potioncat. It's like asking a semite if they'd 
rather a brown coat in their house or a frog in their bed. 
Your question is ridiculous. 
Sorry, potioncat I am getting a bit personal there. I don't mean to 
bite, it's just a pretty significant point to me. 

Valky hoping potioncat won't hate me after this.